Jobs and Classes: Ratios.

[fusional]

Speaking of obvious assumptions, ever notice how Thaumaturge had more healing and raise spells than nukes? Ever notice how Conjurer had twice the black mage spells than white mage spells? WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING??!

What is wrong with you people? -_-

"i am going to ignore obvious indicators to the contrary of my preferred assumption because it undermines my position, and try to make the argument quantitative rather than qualitative/specific"

keep flailing about to justify your completely off-kilter assumptions. keep refusing to acknowledge clear evidence opposed to your position/agenda because it's merely 'inconvenient' and couldn't possibly hold any weight. anything to feel justified, correct, and entitled- anything to preserve your misguided sense of outrage.

and don't try to play the deflect/project/shed the spotlight game. i have no stake in this. i have both at 50 and look forward to trying both jobs. i just find *your* delusion (and that of those taking a similar position) both humorous and... mindblowing.

blackmage with raise 2 and rebirth... lollllllllllllll

[AmyRae]

"i am going to ignore obvious indicators to the contrary of my preferred assumption because it undermines my position, and try to make the argument quantitative rather than qualitative/specific"

keep flailing about to justify your completely off-kilter assumptions. keep refusing to acknowledge clear evidence opposed to your position/agenda because it's merely 'inconvenient' and couldn't possibly hold any weight. anything to feel justified, correct, and entitled- anything to preserve your misguided sense of outrage.

and don't try to play the deflect/project/shed the spotlight game. i have no stake in this. i have both at 50 and look forward to trying both jobs. i just find *your* delusion (and that of those taking a similar position) both humorous and... mindblowing.

blackmage with raise 2 and rebirth... lollllllllllllll

I don't really care about the subject. I just think how you treat others who don't agree with your preconceptions is ridiculous (and deserves to be mocked).

There were plenty of indications that conjurers could have been black mages; it wasn't as obvious as you try to make it sound. There's no reason to be cruel to anyone who had that assumption. It just makes you look like an ass.

[Bowen]

"i am going to ignore obvious indicators to the contrary of my preferred assumption because it undermines my position, and try to make the argument quantitative rather than qualitative/specific"

keep flailing about to justify your completely off-kilter assumptions. keep refusing to acknowledge clear evidence opposed to your position/agenda because it's merely 'inconvenient' and couldn't possibly hold any weight. anything to feel justified, correct, and entitled- anything to preserve your misguided sense of outrage.

and don't try to play the deflect/project/shed the spotlight game. i have no stake in this. i have both at 50 and look forward to trying both jobs. i just find *your* delusion (and that of those taking a similar position) both humorous and... mindblowing.

blackmage with raise 2 and rebirth... lollllllllllllll

If I may, I was one of the people that thought that CNJ was going to be BLM.
And while that might not have been true, there are still many reasons why CNJ would make sense as BLM and THM would make sense as WHM.
For one, according to the original lore, THM were priests and althought the ones in the guild that we join are rather. . . obssessed with the darker sides of magics, the other temple in Ul'dah was dedicated to life and the preservation of it.
CNJs on the other hand, were masters of all six elemental magics. Traditionally, in final fantasy, Fire, Blizzard, and Thunder were all Black Magic spells, with Quake (Stone), Tornado (Aero), and Flood (Water) all being special cases. (Aero being the only canon white magic out of the three)
And since many of us came from FFXI, were all of these were Black Magic spells, how could you not expect us to interpret CNJ as BLM on first impressions.
Yes, CNJ had Cure and other White Magic spells, but they could have easily given those spells to THM and let CNJs keep their elemental nukes to keep their lore intact while still keeping THMs lore relitively the same.
This argument is pointless however, so there is no need for this insulting and arguing.

[grandm]

If I may, I was one of the people that thought that CNJ was going to be BLM.
And while that might not have been true, there are still many reasons why CNJ would make sense as BLM and THM would make sense as WHM.
For one, according to the original lore, THM were priests and althought the ones in the guild that we join are rather. . . obssessed with the darker sides of magics, the other temple in Ul'dah was dedicated to life and the preservation of it.
CNJs on the other hand, were masters of all six elemental magics. Traditionally, in final fantasy, Fire, Blizzard, and Thunder were all Black Magic spells, with Quake (Stone), Tornado (Aero), and Flood (Water) all being special cases. (Aero being the only canon white magic out of the three)
And since many of us came from FFXI, were all of these were Black Magic spells, how could you not expect us to interpret CNJ as BLM on first impressions.
Yes, CNJ had Cure and other White Magic spells, but they could have easily given those spells to THM and let CNJs keep their elemental nukes to keep their lore intact while still keeping THMs lore relitively the same.
This argument is pointless however, so there is no need for this insulting and arguing.

it was not a stupid thought to think CON would be BLM, the evidence was very supportive. but SE did it this way and CON got WHM and guess what, its not stupid and it makes sense. the fact is it could have gone either way.

it is very wrong for some1 to get all high and mighty for being right about something that only had 2 outcomes when the odds were 50/50. it could have gone either way :P

for the record i was with bowen. i thought it would be the other way round

[Bowen]

it was not a stupid thought to think CON would be BLM, the evidence was very supportive. but SE did it this way and CON got WHM and guess what, its not stupid and it makes sense. the fact is it could have gone either way.

it is very wrong for some1 to get all high and mighty for being right about something that only had 2 outcomes when the odds were 50/50. it could have gone either way :P

for the record i was with bowen. i thought it would be the other way round

Oh good, I thought for the majority of that post that you thought I meant that I thought CNJ -> WHM was stupid.

[grandm]

Oh good, I thought for the majority of that post that you thought I meant that I thought CNJ -> WHM was stupid.

wouldn't have mattered what way round you thought it. neither was a stupid guess both had good reasons for being either BLM or WHM. only one could be tho

[Bowen]

wouldn't have mattered what way round you thought it. neither was a stupid guess both had good reasons for being either BLM or WHM. only one could be tho

I agree, what I meant though was that you were saying that CNJ -> WHM was stupid, which isn't the case at all.
I just thought BLM would make a bit more sense. :/
What I really would want to know is their reasoning behind the way the did this. Not that it matters much but, I would really like to know.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Oh good, I thought for the majority of that post that you thought I meant that I thought CNJ -> WHM was stupid.

I agree. There was a 50/50 chance either way when you think about BLM spells. However, I think a lot of the animosity stems from the eleventy billion threads that were created that decried "OMG WHY IS CNJ NOT BLM?!" or "What aboutz t3h LoRE?!"

A lot of those posts made valid points. However, those points become repetitive and redundant. They occurred pre and post announcement. To sum it up:

Pre-Job Announcements:
1st to 2nd threads re: CNJ and THM jobs -> valid points made. Supportive arguments which are valid, sound, and "have a point" (i.e. something for the developers to consider)
3rd to eleventy billionth: still valid points, but the SAME points that were made in the 1st and 2nd threads. At this time, I'm just tired of seeing the same arguments written by someone else who didn't bother to scan the other threads.

Post-Job Announcements:
1st to 2nd threads: Understandable outrage (again, 50/50), but your arguments and points are moot. SE developers thought about it and made a decision. Move on.
3rd to eleventy billionth: You're not saying anything novel. Again, move on.

My above statements can be applied to about 50% of the threads created in this forum: How many threads do we really need that express this sentiment?: "I am not happy with paying a subscription (full or reduced) for Final Fantasy XIV until 2.0. I am reconsidering how I spend my free time."

What this forum needs is greater scrutiny by admins, thread consolidation/locking, and a web version of Strunk & White on the side bar.