Wanderers Minuet fail

[sarahnight]

So i have abandoned my bard. I loved her. The mobility, the insta casts, the songs... then like a bad Nickleback tune Wanderer's Minuet appeared on my bars... Oh 30% up on dps, oh cast times on all my abilities... oh...

Maybe if we had WM from beginning i'd know that bard was just a blm with songs... but the happy go lucky play style i'd done for 52 levels is gone. I can hardly kite anymore with these cast times, i am more like a mage than an archer.

thanks for 52 happy levels, and before you say get used to it, umm no thanks, i have tried, and i just hate it. Feels like you dipped me in molasses, patted me on the head and said now go play... UGH.

yeah tis this thread again, i am late to the party i know... but i just got my bard to 60, so really i did try... i tried to like it. Back to summoner til they mess that up /sigh.

[gumas]

Welcome to 52 bard and yes not just you who give up their class the moment their class become semi turret.

Luckily i came from blm class so when the WM kick in, i get used to it pretty fast considering blm is even more turret than WM bard

[Elysaine]

I generally play caster classes. Especially healers. I'm used to long casting times. So for me Bard and Machinist weren't completely alien to me when I got to 52 with them. Still I agree with you though. I also loved the run around style of them pre 52.

Biggest issue to me is, that these 2 jobs play style changes completely. The other jobs don't change that much, if at all.

Edit:
Been noticing that in POTD many Bards and Machinists don't even use Wanderer's Minuet or Gauss Barrel.

[Culfinrandir]

I'm only a Lvl50 bard but lvl60 caster. I never realised that Wanderer's Minuet was compulsory. That sucks, I enjoy the fast play every now and then.

[Zojha]

It's pretty "meh", considering how low the actual DPS gain from it turns out to be - 30% on all abilities sounds great, until you realize you lose 100 potency per autoattack. If they hadn't locked the new abilities behind it, I think it would just be a flat DPS loss >_>

[Osmond]

I thought it was going to be a DPS loss using w/o it, but it's hard to not use the 30% dmg buff from it. It also locks out of empyrean arrow(54) and iron jaws(56) which is one of the best weaponskills for bard. I just look at it as this playing 60 bard, reapplying venom/wind which is 140TP loss every 18 secs if I don't have WM on or used iron jaws, sacrifice 60TP which resets both venon/wind while WM is active. The other, using Heavy Shot while barrage is up w/o the 30% buff from WM and get the 150 potency from the 3 hits alone or used Empyrean Arrrow while WM is active and get 230 potency from the 3 hits.

I thought that it would be great to move around while DPSing, but by doing that before they made the auto attack changes, you won't hit the mobs unless you have the camera setting to character(walking back is horrible and can lead to mistakes and have to literally change the camera to turn the character around, not fun).

[Neela]

hmm... there are still instant cast procs on several skills + the fact that crit/sks is best for brd your cast time will strongly decrease with max level and decent gear. on the other hand you are good to go for dailys like 50, main, level or primals. don't give up on a class you like at all stick to it at least for content which is capped at 50. - my main was brd as well, i cried and hated the wm-change in the first place as well... but i got used to it over the time and like i said for dailys he's still good to go. ^^

[Leigaon]

hmm... there are still instant cast procs on several skills + the fact that crit/sks is best for brd your cast time will strongly decrease with max level and decent gear...

I tried bard, I was one mainly in 1.0 with being a WHM so I wanted to get the new story and try it out. The instant cast procs made it fun but I quickly got annoyed when I would have bloodletter reset twice while I was busy firing another WS due to the cast times. Personally like the story, and enjoyed what the new damage skills gave

I may go back to it, I never tried to focus on sks, but I did notice when an AST gave me a little buff my world changed for a few seconds and it wasn't so bad.

So i have abandoned my bard. I loved her. The mobility, the insta casts, the songs....

The mobility part I never really got. Even before 52, I didn't go running and jumping around. I found myself stationary a lot. Maybe this is in savage content? That I don't do. The instant casts though I did get annoyed with like I said, maybe if they allowed it to be used within the casting. Healing though I got to say it was nice not having a bard jump around all the time getting hit by things just to jump out of my range...that's a personal thing though.

Songs is another thing, we have TP recovery in a game that doesn't require it for about 80% of the content, same with MP. Sure there's some situations a mage that needs to raise a bunch, a overpower happy warrior or an aoe spamming dps. Otherwise, I liked Warden's, though I never used it except on a warriors berserk.

Maybe there's an even ground here? I get the use for WM, you sing a song to enhance your arrow, you stand and steady your aim. Though as an archer we should be skilled enough to walk and shoot. I've ran into a dead end..what could be done to make it so that when you stand still you sing your song / steady your aim and do extra damage but if you decide to move around a bunch you loose the dmg boost but gain the mobility. Yes, you'd have to take the DPS loss for moving and accept that but you can toggle as you go along. If not, that's as bad as those mages who ask for Cleric to go away, base it all on MND and want us to keep the dmg boost. Get something you need to have something else taken away.

[DarkerOrange]

If you are running around alot on bard when not being forced to move for mechanics, you are playing it wrong.

[Lelila38]

The mobility part I never really got. Even before 52, I didn't go running and jumping around. I found myself stationary a lot. Maybe this is in savage content? That I don't do.

It's not as much about being stationary as it is about cooldown management. Before lv52 Brd is a very fast played class, it is able to use his skills instantly, freeing up time to pop up to 3 non-global-cooldowns between them, which used to be what the real good Brds did to maximise their dps. Now with WM, you are barely able to fit in 1 non-GCD between skills. This results in a very clunky feeling on lv52+ Brd. Mch seem to have it a bit better since they were designed with that playstyle in mind from the start, whereas for Brd it feels like they just went and slapped Mch ideas onto them to make those 2 classes use the same playstyle.

Songs is another thing, we have TP recovery in a game that doesn't require it for about 80% of the content, same with MP. Sure there's some situations a mage that needs to raise a bunch, a overpower happy warrior or an aoe spamming dps.

In savage content you won't find a lot of groups without Brd/Mch, precisely because of those skills. Especially during progression, while healers don't have a measure of the amount of heals needed yet, the MP recovery can be very helpful to get past some tight spots and see more of the fight. Additionally, Brd's Foe Requiem and Mch's turrets are a huge dps boost and should be used whenever possible.
Outside of savage raiding, I agree, you don't need MP/TP recovery very often, still it's a nice thing to have some utility for group content.