Besides the fact you're putting forth no real argument or position of any substance....
Uhhh.... tomestones + upgrade items in 3.5 - highest ilvl gear without raiding.
I was going to reply at the thread but this post just basically sums up what I was gonna say. I only raided in ARR (worst PvE experience ever) but I had my entire gear fully upgraded to raid level way before even joining.
In 3.5 we'll get our upgrades so, not sure the complains. If anything raiding just isn't rewarding because why bother when you can get already the best gear without it?
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