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  1. #551
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    Legewiel's Avatar
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    Legewiel Tetnelin
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    Quote Originally Posted by zXr View Post
    The NA and EU population tend to not be as competitive as we do not use our in-game standings as validation for our existence as we do not live in countries with oppressive governments. In general our fun is the social aspect, working towards a goal as a group/team and then once obtained we enjoy the 'high' granted by accomplishment.
    Apart from China, in what way is South Korea a country with oppressive government?
    And how NA/EU is not competitive? when doing the World first on the new Alexander, most Japanese static's didn't want to participate in the contest, they just wanted to clear it. But NA/EU had a spreedsheet with the time of each clear and which group did it. and that is talking only about ffxiv, in sports/e-sports NA is even more crazy competitive!
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  2. #552
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    Freyr Deflor
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    My thoughts on this matter

    I just tested the leveling process with an alt that I was very picky with AFK time and such. It takes a seasoned player, including any necessary side quests, 7.5 days of playtime just to go to the completion of the Heavensward quest. It then takes another 2 hours just to get to the Antitower quest. I used a paladin to test this so, it will take much longer for a dps/healer to get through the MSQ. That doesn't include the gear grind which, without a lot of gil or time, will increase that time.
    Do I necessarily agree with an inexperienced player gaining access to all of the actions and the gear that I worked hard for? No, I do not. Do I think that some sort of adjustments need to be made to make the grind through the first 2 portions of the game easier? Yes, I do. Will some of the stuck up, nose in the air players get their panties in a knot and stop playing? Yes, they will. And that makes me really happy.
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  3. #553
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    Novia Marius
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl View Post
    Or at least use the funds you get from the Job skip pots to help fund the changes...
    It wont happen because as long as the problem exists the potions will sell. The more expansions we get, the bigger the problem becomes, the more appealing buying a potion looks.
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  4. #554
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    Imoen Orunitia
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainichan View Post
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    -Player A buys game, plus Potion.
    -Player B buys just the game.
    -Both players start the same day.

    Do one of these players have a distinct advantage purchased with real world cash? If your answer is "yes", well... If that is not P2W, I don't know what is.

    EDIT: PLease do not quote this thread with P2W stuff, quite frankly it is unimportant. People have their definitions of what P2W is, so, from this point fourth I will not refer to it as such. I have deleted as much of the discussion about it in my posts as possible. I simply do not want to dive into the definitions of what P2W is, and what others think it is etc... it is besides my point, hence why I deleted them. I engaged on this, and it was my fault... and while everything I said during it remains, in my eyes true, I no longer wish to discuss on it.
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    Last edited by Imoen; 12-19-2016 at 09:35 AM.
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  5. #555
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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Hyperion
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    To those who are saying "Ohh i'm quitting now because jump potions may be added." "I'm glad I am not upgrading from the PS3 version." ...Really? This was the breaking point? This is where you just draw the line with SE? lolkay

    I don't agree with the idea of instant jumping through content, but it doesn't concern me if it does get added in. A good player will be a good player even if they jump levels. A bad player will be a bad player even if they level the normal way. It really is a person by person basis. I have seen plenty of people in their later levels who don't even know half of what their bar does. Basically it is nothing new.

    Also, realistically how many people are going to buy this 20-40 dollar potions? People act like everyone is going to go buy this and we are going to have a mass amount of jump potion players. This percentage in NA/EU in particular is going to be very very small. A lot of people can't even afford to throw an extra 20-40. So it is basically a luxury item. The chances of you getting into a DF with a jump potion player is very small.

    I only don't like it in the sense that the player won't be able to enjoy the world and story, but not everyone has this mindset. They don't care about this stuff. Which is odd because world, story, and characters are one of the strongest and most well known aspect of Final Fantasy. It isn't a complaint of it's technicalities, just on a artistic viewpoint, you are definitely missing out.
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  6. #556
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I don't agree with the idea of instant jumping through content, but it doesn't concern me if it does get added in.
    These potions aren't meant for you, or me, or anyone else like us, who've already progressed past the point of needing them. They are designed for new players. And that's why it's bullshit. You and I don't have to give a fuck about the ability to skip content we've already done. But poor Bob who just got the game? He's fucked if he doesn't buy one. Because SE can't be bothered to fix the actual problem. This is a bandaid fix that they're throwing in the mogstation.

    Either these items should be free and included with the expansion for everyone, or SE should instead fix the actual problem with MSQ. Preferably the latter, imo.
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  7. #557
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    Vejjiegirl's Avatar
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    Raelynn Lovelace
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStiles View Post
    These potions aren't meant for you, or me, or anyone else like us, who've already progressed past the point of needing them. They are designed for new players. And that's why it's bullshit. You and I don't have to give a fuck about the ability to skip content we've already done. But poor Bob who just got the game? He's fucked if he doesn't buy one. Because SE can't be bothered to fix the actual problem. This is a bandaid fix that they're throwing in the mogstation.

    Either these items should be free and included with the expansion for everyone, or SE should instead fix the actual problem with MSQ. Preferably the latter, imo.
    Just wanted to say, this is exactly the same thing as they are doing with pvp. Instead of moderating pvp and banning/Muting people that are disrupted and toxic they are just going to do a quick fix and Mute EVERYONE that pvps.
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  8. #558
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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStiles View Post
    These potions aren't meant for you, or me, or anyone else like us, who've already progressed past the point of needing them. They are designed for new players. And that's why it's bullshit. You and I don't have to give a fuck about the ability to skip content we've already done. But poor Bob who just got the game? He's fucked if he doesn't buy one. Because SE can't be bothered to fix the actual problem. This is a bandaid fix that they're throwing in the mogstation.

    Either these items should be free and included with the expansion for everyone, or SE should instead fix the actual problem with MSQ. Preferably the latter, imo.
    For crying the hell out loud, did you even read past that point?
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  9. #559
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    Matthias Gendrin
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    Someone's been keeping a list of "things that are going to kill the game" that actually didn't.

    They should add level jump potions to that list.

    I'm all for it. WoW's leveling potions were expensive, but that was the only real complaint I had. It didn't degrade player skill, botters didn't abuse it, and it didn't really detract from the game at all.

    Also, this isn't a "straight to 70" thing. People will still have the entirety of 4.0 to learn how to play their jobs, and level 70 players will very likely have a pretty good understanding of how to play.

    The ONLY legitimate downside to this is that new players using the boost will not get to experience the amazing storytelling this game offers. They can watch cutscenes at the inns, but that exempts them from duties, where some of the more profound moments occur. As such, they might not have the same attachment to the characters that those who play through would, and story events in Stormblood might not be as impactful.

    EDIT: Also, to the "it should be free!" folks: entitled, much? Paying for the level boost is industry standard. Just about everyone who has a level skipping potion on their game charges for it (I can't think of any examples that don't).
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    Last edited by Jpec07; 12-18-2016 at 07:37 AM.
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  10. #560
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    BlakeEarhart's Avatar
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    Sun Crowley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl View Post
    Just wanted to say, this is exactly the same thing as they are doing with pvp. Instead of moderating pvp and banning/Muting people that are disrupted and toxic they are just going to do a quick fix and Mute EVERYONE that pvps.
    Seems like they rather want to ignore the elephant in the room than improve their own game. What a shame.
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