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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emitans View Post
    When World of Warcraft decided to overhaul their leveling experience everyone complained that it was the worst expansion ever because there wasn't enough to do at end game.

    The more work S-E puts into reworking old content the less time and money they have to spend on brand new content.
    I half agree with you on this one, WoWs issue for me has always been their "Take" on how to deal with the classes xpac by xpac, namely in that every other xpac they redesign the wheel to great "hit or miss" receptions. FF 14 thankfully so far has been about xpacs being exactly that, expansions to the core game. That said you are right, the cataclysm rework overall did little to promote people to level through the old world when they had options like heirlooms and paid jump options.
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  2. #262
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    I'm amazed why do people care about those potions. Those, who want to enjoy the story - will continue to do so, and those, who want to play with friends or enter the "endgame" phase now have a choice to do so faster.
    A lot of people seems to speak about "story" , but you can't decide for other people.
    Also, the quest chain between ARR and before you enter HV phase - is the thing that i hate the most. (not the story part of it)

    There's a lot of non-important filler quests in the main storyline, which prolong time for a MSQ completion by a large margin and annoy some people too.


    TL;DR

    - The first part of the game is extremely boring and awful in terms of gameplay, especially with 2.5 seconds GCD.

    - ^ This also applies to low-level dungeons.

    - Don't decide for other people. If they want to do it (the Main Story) - they will do it, don't force a "super engaging story" on other players if they don't want to.

    - Jump potions will allow for alts on other servers without transfering each time.

    - World of Warcraft is fine with this and nobody cares about those potions.

    - It does not give you ILVL 270 and top gear, it's just help to skip the story and SAVE A LOT OF YOUR TIME, like really, a lot of it. You can always watch cutscenes at the inn. Also gives you a basic gear, so you will not find yourself in only your pants at level 50.

    - The Main story quest need to be heavily reworked, by removing all non-important trash/filler quests and increasing rewards from, actually, important quests.

    - Someone mentioned that players will not be able to get known a class they are playing, worry not, level 50-60 timeframe is more than enough time to learn the class. The good part of it is that, starting from level 50 you have at least some buttons to press or rotations to do, so it's not that boring, as it is in low levels.

    p.s. My personal opinion - i don't have any problems or dramas with those potions, if those will help to attract new players - that's a great thing then.
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    Last edited by Zeonsilt; 12-17-2016 at 03:25 PM. Reason: limit

  3. #263
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    Titles and achievements won't be given though RIGHT YOSHI?? People will have to buy those separately as well RIGHT YOSHI??

    Im no longer angered by the potions as I initially was but I won't agree with giving the achievements/titles that come with actually doing all the content that is about to be skipped.
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  4. #264
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
    I meant, from what I've seen, is that maybe other people would like to experience the content that was advertised in the new expansion.
    I can't imagine someone appreciating the story of Stormblood without having experienced any of FFXIV's other quests. At best, it sounds like people who want instant gratification can't be assed to earn anything through playing the game. The "2.x quests are so long!" is a meme because they're already loads quicker to complete than they ever were when their respective patches went live, and if you don't think they're going to similarly expedite the Dragonsong War questline (which they've already taken steps on by separating the Warring Triad from the main scenario), you're maybe a bit shortsighted.

    Yes, this will be a financially good decision. Yes, lazy people will be able to buy that instant gratification. People who want alts (for more than just RP, which you don't need to level really for at all) even though they're largely a waste of time will be able to buy those up to speed. I legitimately don't think there's as much investment in a player who paid to skip things as a player who invested their time in progressing, though.
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  5. #265
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    I can understand wanting to catch up to your friends when you join the game, but these potions, in my mind, are a bad idea. If you were to jump all the way to 60, you'll have all the abilities up to that level but won't really know how to use them. Without the time spent playing a job, you don't get the knowledge of how to use them in rotations. That being said, there will be the chance of getting party members that don't know what to do as a given job in the new dungeons. In short... JUMP POTIONS BAD!
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  6. #266
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
    Sure, let's resort to personal attacks now.

    And I never said I didn't was against doing leveling dungeons. I meant, from what I've seen, is that maybe other people would like to experience the content that was advertised in the new expansion.
    This is a point that kinda messes with me a bit actually. With Heavensward i wonder how much of the MSQ frustration came from the jobs being gated behind Ishgard access when they were lvl 30. I can see the avarage player being aware that they will have to progress through a games stories or campaigns or play modes. Still a person would assume that a lvl 30 would become available at lvl 30. Always felt that if the HW jobs had been accessible for new players to continue their "game" with said advertised jobs, it mighta eased the MSQ woes considerably. And it coulda been as simple as a lvl 30 sidequest that "sneaks" you into the city.
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  7. #267
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow View Post
    I can understand wanting to catch up to your friends when you join the game, nut these potions, in my mind, are a bad idea. If you were to jump all the way to 60, you'll have all the abilities up to that level but won't really know how to use them. Without the time spent playing a job, you don't get the knowledge of how to use them in rotations. That being said, there will be the chance of getting party members that don't know what to do as a given job in the new dungeons. In short... JUMP POTIONS BAD!
    We already have this problem. I see tons of level 60 drgs who only use the full thrust combo. DRK's with no darkside, plds who just spam rage of halone. Hell, i had 2 bards in 1 dungeon not use any dots at all.

    potions will have 0 impact on the quality of the playerbase, becuase the overall quality you get in duty finder is atrocious.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 12-17-2016 at 03:31 PM.

  8. #268
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumbercules View Post
    Still a person would assume that a lvl 30 would become available at lvl 30. Always felt that if the HW jobs had been accessible for new players to continue their "game" with said advertised jobs, it mighta eased the MSQ woes considerably. And it coulda been as simple as a lvl 30 sidequest that "sneaks" you into the city.
    Good things come to those who wait. Well, unless you have $$$$ now. Then you can have all the good things you want.

    I was tired of the "boo hoo why can't i play dakr night!!!!!!!" complaints before the expansion even came out. It's pathetic. If someone can't wrap their head around having to unlock things in a video game they probably weren't ever going to have more than a month of fun anyway.
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  9. 12-17-2016 03:35 PM
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    meh dumb post lol

  10. #269
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    We already have this problem. I see tons of level 60 drgs who only use the full thrust combo. DRK's with no darkside, plds who just spam rage of halone. Hell, i had 2 bards in 1 dungeon not use any dots at all.

    potions will have 0 impact on the quality of the playerbase, becuase the overall quality you get in duty finder is atrocious.
    Agreed. Instead of trying to improve the current playerbase the only option left is to make things worse.
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  11. #270
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalWolf View Post
    Agreed. Instead of trying to improve the current playerbase the only option left is to make things worse.
    The current playerbase wont improve unless it wants to. Most people dont care to be good, as evidenced by when asking said people why they arent using the full set of skills. "its too much work"
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