Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[szalkerous]

Leveling normally doesn't do this either....

I think a lot of the class quests really hammer home some of the important skills of each class. This potion idea will clear those quests automatically and prevent them from being done.
I think a lot of lower level dungeons and MSQ instances force new players to learn the mechanics of the game (i.e. don't stand in bad, use interrupts, etc.). This potion idea will clear those quests and story and prevent them from being done.

I could go on. Gating progression to later content, and ESPECIALLY "current expansion" areas/dungeons is one of the genius rules of XIV. It forces people to take their contribution seriously before exposing them to parties and raids where they will drag everyone down. Would you want a player running a tank or healer in your Stormblood party with zero experience with the game and having $40-60 to burn? I don't. I don't want my time wasted, and I guarantee there's a majority of other players who feel the same way.

Heck, there's people joining simple ARR Ex trials that still don't understand the mechanics and cause wipes. You really want to toss gas on that fire? Because that's what this does.

Duty Finder is already a sh-show, so I'll be doing all content with pre-mades to avoid carrying any dead weight pay-to-win players. They better keep that sprout on 'em too so I know who to kick.

[AlphaFox]

Then those people will be kicked and shunned for not asking for help, not looking into help or just not caring. If people really want to waste money (when referring to those who just don't care) to skip ahead and not bother trying to better themself, the only thing they will do is either get better or regret their choice.

[Antonio_Xul]

Obviously it does. That's why everyone at level 60 knows their rotation! :P

Not everyone knows their job at 60. Trust me.

And I'll just reqoute myself here from the newer thread

My take on the job potion is, I don't think anybody truly learns their job until they have their skill set completely unlocked. The faster you unlock your skills, the faster you can start learning your job properly. Not to mention jump potions are a godsend to people with alts. I can't wait for jump potions to be available.

[SmokeyTheSequel]

This is probably why they are talking about starting the new classes at 50. Sort of a freebie jump like WoW did for pandaria I believe? Gets new people practically right into the action of higher level content out the door. Having every class including the DoL and DoH @60 I'm a bit salty because of the time I have invested into leveling up everything and now others can just "jump" it all is a bit dumb but honestly it's going to cost quite a bit if you want to jump everything and I see people crying all the time about having to pay a sub so it might not be as wide spread as people think. I also hope that this can not be used for anything other than battle classes. If you can jump 50 levels of fishing I'm going to be quite mad lmao

[Nestama]

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Except Class/Job quests really don't teach you much of anything. Especially the DRG and BLM quests.

A good player will read the tool tips, look up guides and practice on dummies to learn their rotation/how to play the Job. A bad player will always be bad (ignoring advice, "play how they want," etc). It's also not pay to win. Pay to win is being able to buy Savage level gear, or buying something that gives you an unfair advantage in PvP content.

[Antonio_Xul]

Except Class/Job quests really don't teach you much of anything. Especially the DRG and BLM quests.

A good player will read the tool tips, look up guides and practice on dummies to learn their rotation/how to play the Job. A bad player will always be bad (ignoring advice, "play how they want," etc). It's also not pay to win. Pay to win is being able to buy Savage level gear, or buying something that gives you an unfair advantage in PvP content.

This exactly. I've stated before How class quests don't teach you a damn thing. When I started this game back in October '13 (my 1st MMO), I made it to 50 as Warrior not knowing anything about my job. I struggled badly. Once I started to become more vocal in my FC of my struggles, they helped me with tips and I myself started looking up tips online. It's up to the player, but even then, you need all your skills to learn your job right, even cross-class skills.

[Derio]

The jump puts you at 60 and right at the beginning ilvl for stormblood. So my guess is anywhere between ilvl250-270 is where you start.

[szalkerous]

Except Class/Job quests really don't teach you much of anything. Especially the DRG and BLM quests.

I, like many others here, have done endgame raiding in many different MMOs. XIV is, in my humble opinion, the easiest MMORPG I've seen to raid in. It attracts a level of casual players and first-time MMO-ers that NEED the utter basics drawn out for them.

DRG and BLM are arguably the easiest DPS (Did I even need to say DPS?) classes to play. So if their class quests are tailored to the difficulty of playing them, then so be it.

You're never going to get rid of bad players. I don't expect everyone to min-max to the last point of damage on the meter. But when this game gives you gigantic easy-mode situations like a HUGE look-away indicator and people STILL get caught not once, but EVERY time..... yeah, I want to maximize the investment the players have made to ensure they take their role seriously.

For those of us that did the grind through all the content without any crutches (at least on our primary roles), your time and opportunity is valuable to you. I don't want to create a horde of faceroll players with extra cash to burn taking up slots and wasting my time.

If this potion was available to jump levels on ALTS.... then I'd feel less annoyed. Because you'd have had to prove your mettle on at least one job, and you'd have a solid understanding of how the game operates.

EDIT: Also agree this pot should not be available for DoL/DoH classes whatsoever.

[Aerowaffle]

Very negative feelings on this.

Level skipping does not force people to learn their classes, and then dilutes the pool of experienced players in endgame and near-endgame content. People need to learn their rotations and how to play in easier content.

A necessary evil considering the need for the game to attract more new players. Will some people suck? Yes. Will some people suck because they haven't spent much time on the game? Possibly. But it's better to have a player that joined because jump potions were offered than no player at all.

It will become apparent pretty damn quick to these players that they're lacking the skills to complete X. They will need to "git gud" and spend some time to fix their problem. They still have level 50->60 to learn their class and the common mechanics.

This is a pay-to-win option. There's no way around it, and you cannot hide that fact. Some people will gain an unfair advantage via spending real money. THIS IS NOT OK.

How is this serious pay-to-win? They are brought to a level that is still going to be outdated for the current content. They'll still need to spend a large amount of time catching up. Once they finally do reach the highest level, they still need to progress their iLvl. Why do you care that they are brought from one level of outdated content to a slightly higher level of outdated content?

Honestly, this also dilutes and disrespects the amount of time others have spent to gain certain rewards in the game. Also, if I buy three of these, does this fulfill half of the requirements for the mentor program because I can dump $60?

All the time you enjoyed that reward while the requirements were harsher is part of the reward. Do you complain that Ex Primal rewards are easier to obtain now that the fights are trivial compared to the current content?

Do you know what fulfilling half of the mentor requirement gets you? Nothing.

The fact of the matter is, there is a massive amount of content to get through to be at the post-game content. While this is great for the person that are looking for the story experience, there are many players that just want to play challenging group content with their friends. And so far, those types of players are discouraged from starting FFXIV.

The content these people would be skipping with the potions is content that every person that has reached the end of the game is forced to accomplish. It's not a great feat of strength or something that people brag about. It's a requirement. It's a vast amount of solo content that requires very little effort and a lot of time.

These Jump potions will also act as an entice'er to draw in new customers that may decide not to buy them. FFXIV has a free-trial to level 20. I know many people take advantage of these level based trials to decide if they like the game. 20 levels is plenty of time for these people, who originally joined the game expecting to use the level/story skip potions to catch up with friends, to decide if they like the story enough to go through the game normally and save the money.

[Nestama]

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"A good player will read the tool tips, look up guides and practice on dummies to learn their rotation/how to play the Job. A bad player will always be bad (ignoring advice, "play how they want," etc). It's also not pay to win. Pay to win is being able to buy Savage level gear, or buying something that gives you an unfair advantage in PvP content."

Sorry for repeating myself, but this was my main argument. BLM and DRG I mainly mentioned because, despite being the easiest to learn (BLM especially), some people don't know how to play them at level 60 (still spamming Fire III and Blizzard III, not knowing that that's a DPS loss).