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    Quote Originally Posted by Walfan View Post
    Kimahri is a blue mage and is a close-range warrior using a spear. Their core identity is using monster abilities, not cast times.
    Kimahri may be a poor example due to the fact most characters in Final Fantasy X are a combination of two other FF jobs, Kimahri being Dragoon and Blue Mage (Auron is Samurai+Knight etc.).

    However, you are still correct in that the only unifying identity Blue Mage has throughout it's iterations is that it uses monster abilities. In fact, Blue Mage has one of the widest variety in terms of design/look across multiple Final Fantasy titles. This means it's iteration in FFXIV if it's ever added can easily be tweaked to fit whichever role or archetype they deem necessary as long as it stills uses monster abilities in some form.
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    I know I won't argue whichever class SAM gets but why does everyone assume they will use a giant Katana or sword as well? I mean I didn't play it in 11 but seeing as some people like to pull up historical, they have been known to dual wield as well. Would people still say yay if that is the outcome? Cus only developers know for sure, just gotta keep an open mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post
    I know I won't argue whichever class SAM gets but why does everyone assume they will use a giant Katana or sword as well? I mean I didn't play it in 11 but seeing as some people like to pull up historical, they have been known to dual wield as well. Would people still say yay if that is the outcome? Cus only developers know for sure, just gotta keep an open mind.
    Why do people assume Dragoons use Spears?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Why do people assume Dragoons use Spears?
    http://www.ffxivinfo.com/items/dragoon.php

    Not going to count how many of their official weapons names are "spear" but it's safe to say "a lot" if not "most."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    http://www.ffxivinfo.com/items/dragoon.php

    Not going to count how many of their official weapons names are "spear" but it's safe to say "a lot" if not "most."
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    well i hope in 4-5 days they show us if SAM go to come or at least how many jobs and what roles come on 4.0, lets be patients ppl ^^
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    I still don't see how RDM could possibly work as anything other than a tank. There's literally only one role in the game that can be considered a 'jack-of-all-trades' type of role, and that would be tanks. Tanks can heal, buff, DPS, mitigate, and literally everything in between. RDM as any other role would literally just spit in the face of their identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I still don't see how RDM could possibly work as anything other than a tank. There's literally only one role in the game that can be considered a 'jack-of-all-trades' type of role, and that would be tanks. Tanks can heal, buff, DPS, mitigate, and literally everything in between. RDM as any other role would literally just spit in the face of their identity.
    Probably from the poll way back when?

    (Click the image to be taken to the poll.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I still don't see how RDM could possibly work as anything other than a tank. There's literally only one role in the game that can be considered a 'jack-of-all-trades' type of role, and that would be tanks. Tanks can heal, buff, DPS, mitigate, and literally everything in between. RDM as any other role would literally just spit in the face of their identity.
    Except tanks still excel in one area, they aren't a "jack of all trades, master of none". They're masters at mitigating damage, which RDM has never been known for but certainly has tools to do it in past games (Phalanx etc.). Healers in FFXIV can heal, dps, buff, and mitigate as well. So can DPS. Warrior's and Dark Knight's only have self-heals, just like many DPS can bring Second Wind. Only PLD can heal others. One could also argue Mantra bonus healing can be attributed towards the DPS job who put it out (5% bonus for BRD, NIN, DRG while 20% bonus for MNK). It can also be argued that BRD/MCH/NIN's ability to regenerate TP/MP for others is technically a form of 'healing' as well, it's simply healing a different resource that isn't HP.

    So you're wrong. The truth is, Red Mage could fit into any of the 3 roles, because pretty much every job in this game is a general "jack of all trades", they can all do damage, buff, debuff, mitigate, and heal to a degree.
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    Last edited by Shippuu; 12-21-2016 at 09:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I still don't see how RDM could possibly work as anything other than a tank. There's literally only one role in the game that can be considered a 'jack-of-all-trades' type of role, and that would be tanks. Tanks can heal, buff, DPS, mitigate, and literally everything in between. RDM as any other role would literally just spit in the face of their identity.
    Only if you want them to be generalists (which have no place in this game). Also this.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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