@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a Tank class!

[EdwinLi]

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Well as I said before Vanity reasons isn't going to have a major effect in the right spots on Tank population as it results in players using SAM more for Non-group content over actual group content just because they want to "look" ideal in their appearance.
It comes down to the gameplay far more than the actual Vanity to keep players playing a Tank Job for group contents.

[Celef]

The thing is, if they add SAM as a tank I don't see what new it could bring :/ (same for a 4th healer tho)

[Katana190]

The thing is, if they add SAM as a tank I don't see what new it could bring :/ (same for a 4th healer tho)

More variety, like adding any job. Although the most requested tank mechanic I believe is a Self Shielding Tank, just like we have a Self Healing Tank we could easily also have a Self Shielding one

[Celef]

More variety, like adding any job. Although the most requested tank mechanic I believe is a Self Shielding Tank, just like we have a Self Healing Tank we could easily also have a Self Shielding one

You mean a mix of tank and SCH ?

[Katana190]

You mean a mix of tank and SCH ?

No less then WAR is a mix between WHM and Tank... which it isn't. It wouldn't be able to spam Shields on itself, but they also wouldn't conflict with other Shields, they can work in a multitude of ways. % based shields, health based shields, and attack power based shields, like WAR's self healing is scaled of Attack Power.

[Walfan]

The thing is, if they add SAM as a tank I don't see what new it could bring :/ (same for a 4th healer tho)

The thing is, if they add SAM as a dps I don't see what new it could bring :/

News flash : new jobs for any role would add flavor and potentially interesting comps if they're not half-clones of other jobs.

I don't understand why we have to justify SAM being a tank. Why would dps players be entitled to it ? Because there are no sword-wielding dps ? That's it ?
In truth it's only that way because most people play dps and want the very popular samurai to be dps so they can play it, the same as dark knight.

You're going to ask why would tanks be entitled to SAM. Fair enough. They're not entitled to it as much as it makes more sense for it to be tank both thematically, visually and practically.
The samurai is pretty much an eastern knight philosophically, and is most often shown wearing heavy armor both in real life and in the Final Fantasy series.
It's also one of the few fitting choices for a tank class in the game, and can potentially increase the tank population. I can guarantee the tank problem would be much worse if DRK didn't exist.
You need to keep in mind that this game isn't WoW, in WoW a classic raid composition for the hardest content uses 2 tanks, 5 healers and 13 dps. That's 1 tank per 6.5 dps players. In FFXIV you need 1 tank per 2 dps players, more than three times the amount of a far more popular game. That's why the tank population needs to get attractive options to stay alive. Look at what happened to the monk in WoW, it's by far the least played class in the game and its tank spec is probably even less played than survival hunter.

"But if the tanks need free cookies that mean the tank gameplay is at fault". You're partially right, the dev team isn't really making any effort to make the gameplay more engaging besides making us do damage, but it's mostly that way because most people can't handle the pressure. By playing tank you're supposed to assume control of the encounter and make the healers and dps' jobs as easy as possible, which means it's really easy to see your mistakes. It's something you get over with time, but not many are willing to try, and that's where popular jobs like SAM or DRK come in.

[Celef]

I don't understand why we have to justify SAM being a tank. Why would dps players be entitled to it ? Because there are no sword-wielding dps ? That's it ?

Nothing to do with that, just wondering what new could be done for a tank gameplay. I fact, I don't care about it being tank or dps, I play heal, just curious abour what kind of new tank it could be considering we already have the tradi pal, the HP monster and the leech wich aur the only 3 "types" of tank I know so far

[Walfan]

Nothing to do with that, just wondering what new could be done for a tank gameplay. I fact, I don't care about it being tank or dps, I play heal, just curious abour what kind of new tank it could be considering we already have the tradi pal, the HP monster and the leech wich aur the only 3 "types" of tank I know so far

Dodge tank, counter tank, support tank (more fitting for PLD to go forward though), debuffing/debilitating tank, etc.

[EdwinLi]

Dodge tank, counter tank, support tank (more fitting for PLD to go forward though), debuffing/debilitating tank, etc.

I can see a type of debuff tank and magic barrier type tank but dodge and counter tank is a bit iffy if we look at current content of FF14.

For starters there is a lot of anti-dodge mechanics being introduced now which can become a issue for tanks that focus on dodge and their main mechanic does not work because certain attacks are unavoidable. Then they have to consider how the dodge system will reduce damage and by what means as a 100% reduce damage based on RNG is only OP by the rate it happens and if a player is unlock no matter how high or low the rate is then that tank would end up dying faster than a Warrior, Paladin, and Dark knight.

As for Counter attack it comes down to how the damage is reflected and how much damage taken is reduced. They can't implament a 100% damage reduction unless the cooldown is high enough to prevent repeated use within a very short timeframe nor let it be based on RNG for succcess because then the Tank's ability to handle reducing damage is based on luck and not the player themselves. Then there is also the issue of certain attacks that ignore things like counter, block, and parry that can only be reduced by damage mitigation skills. Damage reflected, ideally, may be based more on the player's damage rate instead of how much damage taken since bosses now cause damage higher than what player characters can cause themselves in one attack.

Counter and dodge tanks are a very double edge sword type of Tank Jobs that can either make or break the Jobs. However, that is just my opinion on how risking these tank jobs can be in both designing and gameplay.

[CaedemSanguis]

Dps classes need a SWORD DPS, so what we have atm ? I just see the SAM so i think SAM will be dps.

And for tank role, i think it will be the red mage, cause we dont have a caster tank, even if the pld have clemency which i never use (im on a12s farm) :3