@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a Tank class!

[Shippuu]

The key thing that i think about red mage is that they are going to have healing magic such as the iconic cure 1 and cure 2 along with lightning, fire 1, fire 2 and when thinking about it in a gameplay perspective... DPS simply cannot deliver heals because then they are losing out on dps in raids/hard-content. It would also sound like the job would be too powerful if the heals were so strong/effective that they can maintain high dps while healing. That would mean that MANY people would take groups of multiple red mages. To top it off it is called a mage.

I mean, we don't know for sure that they must have cure 1, 2, etc. and Fire 1, fire 2 etc. To fit the archetype they just need to have at least some spells/abilities that are in that vein of magic. They can cast a black magic fire spell but it can be called something different and doesn't have to be a carbon copy cast time Fire 1 from Black Mage. Similar to Ninja again, Katon is clearly a fire-based spell akin to Fire 2, but it's called Katon and has essentially a 30 second cooldown. They can have a white magic based healing spell that is functionally different than simply standing there casting spells, especially when you factor in Red Mage's iconic ability in Dual Cast. These things open up the possibility of giving a DPS Red Mage some support/healing utility if they chose to design it that way.

There are ways for DPS to provide heals without losing dps, in the form of instant cast off GCD abilities, which again makes sense for RDM to have given dualcast. Monk's (and other DPS) don't miss out on DPS when they cast Mantra, which a monk's increases healing done to everyone by 20%. So from a point of view that additional healing can be seen as provided by the monk. There's nothing stopping a DPS RDM from having an AoE clutch heal on a long cooldown they can throw out when the party needs it. The job wouldn't be OP because they shouldn't be a super high DPS job in the first place, they bring utility and support to the party, and as a result their damage is not top of the line, like BRD,MCH, NIN. This fits the fact they are supposed to be jack of all trades, master of none.

If the Red Mage were not given any healing skills and just support magics like poison, blind, silence, haste, confuse, blink then what you got there is a Green Mage which is strictly a support magic caster. The way i see Red Mage is that it has to use White Mage skills and Black Mage skils. Also, whats to say they are actually going to use their sword/rapier? They can simply use it like a white/black mage uses their rod and just attack/heal from a range.

We fundamentally disagree then on what a Red Mage should entail, you seem to want them to cast specific white mage skills and black mage skills, whereas I see them being able to take a different approach in as long as they incorporate elements of white magic and black magic along with swordplay. To me it doesn't have to be specifically Cure 1's, and Fire 2's thrown about, but some kind of white magic and black magic that would fit in the world's lore. I think having them be backline casters with their swords just for show would be a pretty big waste of an opportunity to do something flashy with them.

All that said, I like your argument. It is a good one. I however believe that it will still be a healer.

We shall find out in less than a week's time then!

[FinalWolf]

I'd ask for it to not be a tank. The 2-handed sword wielding class is already a tank, there really doesn't need to be a second one. There's not even a sword wielding DPS class yet.

Why do you assume if samurai is added that it will use a two handed weapon?

[Wolf_Heartnet]

I mean, we don't know for sure that they must have cure 1, 2, etc. and Fire 1, fire 2 etc. To fit the archetype they just need to have at least some spells/abilities that are in that vein of magic. They can cast a black magic fire spell but it can be called something different and doesn't have to be a carbon copy cast time Fire 1 from Black Mage. Similar to Ninja again, Katon is clearly a fire-based spell akin to Fire 2, but it's called Katon and has essentially a 30 second cooldown. They can have a white magic based healing spell that is functionally different than simply standing there casting spells, especially when you factor in Red Mage's iconic ability in Dual Cast. These things open up the possibility of giving a DPS Red Mage some support/healing utility if they chose to design it that way.

There are ways for DPS to provide heals without losing dps, in the form of instant cast off GCD abilities, which again makes sense for RDM to have given dualcast. Monk's (and other DPS) don't miss out on DPS when they cast Mantra, which a monk's increases healing done to everyone by 20%. So from a point of view that additional healing can be seen as provided by the monk. There's nothing stopping a DPS RDM from having an AoE clutch heal on a long cooldown they can throw out when the party needs it. The job wouldn't be OP because they shouldn't be a super high DPS job in the first place, they bring utility and support to the party, and as a result their damage is not top of the line, like BRD,MCH, NIN. This fits the fact they are supposed to be jack of all trades, master of none.



We fundamentally disagree then on what a Red Mage should entail, you seem to want them to cast specific white mage skills and black mage skills, whereas I see them being able to take a different approach in as long as they incorporate elements of white magic and black magic along with swordplay. To me it doesn't have to be specifically Cure 1's, and Fire 2's thrown about, but some kind of white magic and black magic that would fit in the world's lore. I think having them be backline casters with their swords just for show would be a pretty big waste of an opportunity to do something flashy with them.


We shall find out in less than a week's time then!

You bring up a good point with dual cast. If they do put that into their kit, it can make for some unique gameplay.I completely forgot about that skill!!
After this post you made, u fully convinced me that they can viably be a dps. There are some concerns on whether they can be do some viable healing. However, i still believe regardless that they will be a caster dps. I still lean to the belief that they will be healer but your argument pretty much opens up them becoming a dps for me.

Well done, Shippuu.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

. They can make all the Red Mage spells scale off of Vit or Det or Strength or Parry etc instead of intelligence/mind. Wouldn't make much sense but it can be done.

Most importantly there is a set of tank gear that looks like something a Red Mage would wear which is Sharlayan Custodian's armor set.

All DRK spells scale off of VIT/STR, and so does PLD's spells, Clemency and Flash. That excuse doesn't even begin to hold water. Also yes, Sharlayan Custodian is Red Mage gear.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

All DRK spells scale off of VIT/STR, and so does PLD's spells, Clemency and Flash. That excuse doesn't even begin to hold water. Also yes, Sharlayan Custodian is Red Mage gear.

Thanks for agreeing with me? Don't see why ur saying its an excuse when you agree with me...

[Katana190]

Why do you assume if samurai is added that it will use a two handed weapon?

Katana and Wakizashi bring it on! I honestly think Zenos is a little hint to the weapon of SAM minus the Revolver scabbard, although that would be sick

We shall find out in less than a week's time then!

Get hyped! Its so close now, hopefully SAM will get teased at JP fanfest as well, seems fitting!

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Thanks for agreeing with me? Don't see why ur saying its an excuse when you agree with me...

I was pointing out the comment that tank spells scaling off of Vit/str not making sense is a bit silly, since tank spells already exist that do just that. XD

[Wolf_Heartnet]

I was pointing out the comment that tank spells scaling off of Vit/str not making sense is a bit silly, since tank spells already exist that do just that. XD

Oh, I see. Yea, I was aware of that. It just doesn't make sense to me since magic is typically obtained from mind/int in final fantasy games. Or Faith if you count some other games like tactics. lol

[LadyKairi]

1) I'm not seeing three silhouettes there. Maybe it could be just a placeholder, or maybe devs are placing quality over quantity, who knows....

I watched the stream, and if I remember correctly, Yoshi said something about "multiple jobs". Who's to say we won't get one of each battle role, as well as something for those who enjoy DoL/DoH? By what I've heard, the budget is far bigger for SB than they had for HW, and they may have gotten more members to their team. I could be wrong, but I'm holding hope that everyone will be able to get a new shiny to play with.

[Madepossible]

If this would be Samurai, it just should be a Tank class!
https://imgur.com/D4kJRvU