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It's not valid because the glamour system is still restricted by role/job. If you're a tank you can't glamour bard gear onto your stuff. You can't be a mage and glamour a full set of plate armor onto yourself. So the job's basic armor identity still plays an important role. Just because there's a number of universally glamour-able items such as swimsuits etc. does not invalidate that.


And that's simply speculation. We don't know how far along they went with samurai in development and in terms of creating art assets.



It makes plenty of sense, Red mages cast multiple types of magics from different schools on top of weaving in swordplay. That takes a dexterous mind as well as body to perform. Dexterous doesn't apply to just physical feats after all, someone with a dexterous mind is considered clever, and mentally adroit. It's much like Ninja's, who use dex as their primary stat, yet the class has many forms of magical abilities it casts through dexterous hand movements.

White Magic also does not equal only healing magic. There are numerous White Magic spells that are enfeebling or protective without being purely healing. Poisona, Blindna, Invis, Silence, Hold, Confuse, Blink, Haste, Dispel. Even if you wanted to give a DPS role some kind of healing it can still be done on RDM, something like an instant cast medica on a longer cooldown would still align with support-like moves other DPS jobs have like Mantra etc.

If Red Mage was a healer it would spend most of it's time healing, and a little time casting black magic, and virtually zero time using the sword element that it's often tied to. DPS would allow it to use all of them (as well as tank, but that brings itemization issues).
Thanks for explaining with glamour but i still disagree. Even if you're a tank, you can glamour gear that can be worn by all that doesn't look like tank gear. In fact, you can be naked by glamouring the emperor gear. However, i can agree to disagree with you here.

For the 170 gear, that is speculation but there is also fact in that Samurai was close to becoming a tank in heavensward during development. But its true, theres no hard evidence that 170 was made because of Samurai.

Now, the way you describe Red Mage as a dps is a great argument. Best i've heard but when you talk about dextrous body and mind it sounds more like background lore or concepts that doesn't actually affect gameplay directly but i guess thats where both our arguments collide because i am thinking strictly from a gameplay perspective.

The key thing that i think about red mage is that they are going to have healing magic such as the iconic cure 1 and cure 2 along with lightning, fire 1, fire 2 and when thinking about it in a gameplay perspective... DPS simply cannot deliver heals because then they are losing out on dps in raids/hard-content. It would also sound like the job would be too powerful if the heals were so strong/effective that they can maintain high dps while healing. That would mean that MANY people would take groups of multiple red mages. To top it off it is called a mage.

If the Red Mage were not given any healing skills and just support magics like poison, blind, silence, haste, confuse, blink then what you got there is a Green Mage which is strictly a support magic caster. The way i see Red Mage is that it has to use White Mage skills and Black Mage skils. Also, whats to say they are actually going to use their sword/rapier? They can simply use it like a white/black mage uses their rod and just attack/heal from a range.

All that said, I like your argument. It is a good one. I however believe that it will still be a healer.