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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    Or more likely we'll just see DRK and PLD marginalised in favour of higher DPS tanks by the community like we saw with PLD in 3.0/3.1
    With all due respect, this game needs more Tanks and Healers to not jeopardize the state of the game. DPS ques take usually 20-30 min, hence when Ques as tank it's instantly. Square Enix needs to draw players and giving Samurai a Tanking class will appeal to more. If SAM was dps, how will this affect the que times? Ppl will be in que for hours like at the release of Ninja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madepossible View Post
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    dont get me wrong, i expect to get SAM as tank and RDM as dps, or in case to no add SAM this expansion, we go to get at least a tank or a healer for surebecause we need more jobs for that roles, i see SAM is the perfect match for the migthy WAR, with all the balance we go to get at 4.0.

    just point that pic is zenos yae valgus, as been confirmed the past event, at the same time yoshida confirmed they hold a katana but is not a weapon tied to the char or something like that if i remember well so meaby we go to get a sam with a triple sheath, how knows.
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    I honestly am interested in samurai being a tank they could add parry mechanics like in ffxv.
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    I just want to main a tank to go through the queues quicker.
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    SAM is popular, and the game need too much tank. If SAM is going to be tank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahdah View Post
    SAM is popular, and the game need too much tank. If SAM is going to be tank...
    Dark Knight was very popular at beginning, but most people can't/don't want to play tank.
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    Reusing post from similar threads...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    For those that believe that a DPS RDM with a single sword can't be as epic as DPS SAM.


    Gabriel Belomnt- Lords of Shadow 2 Sword animation
    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    They wont see how ridiculous a two handed Katana wielding Samurai will look behind the enemy. Welcome to 4.0, 24 man raids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightshadow View Post
    I honestly am interested in samurai being a tank they could add parry mechanics like in ffxv.
    The problem this game has is its so heavily scripted. You can't parry or dodge boss attacks or anything significant. It's a big part of why parry is as bad as it is.

    Back in the day Warrior was the parry tank but look how that turned out. So well that they revamped it entirely pretty quick after arrs launch and now devs are looking to remove parry entirely cos it just doesn't work.

    It's the same when people suggest dodge tanks. Bosses never miss so a dodge tank wouldn't work either. the very design of the game is what breaks these things.

    In ffxi samurai made a fairly solid tank. Tanked many a boss on my samurai. ultima omega, odin, various sky bosses and bosses within temenos and appollyon. It was quite effective parrying triple attacks from byakko in sky or something such. But it wouldn't work in 14 due to encounter design.

    it's also why they're looking at removing accuracy as well because of the way encounters are designed. and how damage works. there's no variance in defence or anything such. if your attack hits one mob for 5k damage it'll hit every mob in the game for aboutr the same. you don't have high def mobs low def mobs high eva mobs low eva mobs. the only difference is how much hp they have.

    the game doesn't have encounters where you need low acc but high attackpower, against tough enemies. or encounters where you need low attack power but high acc against weak but incredibly evasive enemies. it's designed in such a way that everything just hits and the only variable is how much hp does it have...

    Quote Originally Posted by Madepossible View Post
    Paladin -> the ultimate defensive tank.
    In a game where the only thing that matters is DPS a defensive tank doesn't work. which is why paladins have had so many offensive buffs since 3.0 because defence is a joke. DPS is king.
    it's kind of the same thing happening to whm, dubbed by many as the pure healer class. but there getting sidelined for more dps cos nothing needs pure healing
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    Last edited by Dzian; 12-18-2016 at 09:47 PM.

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    Rhaja Foxtail
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    How bout we wait till 5.0 for samurai and it can be the hype class of the expansion. Dark knight was the hype for heavensward, red mage is the hype for storm blood, and Sam can be their hype for 5.0
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    I think dps queue times are longer than 20 minutes
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