We care about Elements and Moon Phases!

[Rutelor]

One thing that the recent outburst of criticism about the planned changes to class skills and spells should have made very clear to the Development Team is this very simple fact: The Final Fantasy XIV community cares very much about the scaffolding of forces which are supposed to be the underpinning of the game's actions and events. We like our world deep and full of interrelated forces that sometimes play against, and sometimes reinforce each other both against us and in our favor. We want it well structured, and consistent as well.

Please don't oversimplify our game in an effort to streamline it. If you are, indeed, keeping this depth and complexity, but it's not evident at this stage, please write about it with clarity and let us share your vision.

R

[TinnySnips]

The recent outburst of criticism on this forum has taught me one thing above all else: We need Barbara Bush in here, badly. Yea... Barbara Bush and a few hundred psychiatrists. Barbara can help all of the illiterates learn to read, and the psychiatrists can help the remaining whiners deal with their identity crises and move on. Perhaps it would help if we also had somebody come in and explain that complexity and depth are not the same thing. They could explain that the more simple something is, the deeper it can become before there are problems, and that an overly complex system is necessarily shallow.

[Lucifer]

The recent outburst of criticism on this forum has taught me one thing above all else: We need Barbara Bush in here, badly. Yea... Barbara Bush and a few hundred psychiatrists. Barbara can help all of the illiterates learn to read, and the psychiatrists can help the remaining whiners deal with their identity crises and move on. Perhaps it would help if we also had somebody come in and explain that complexity and depth are not the same thing. They could explain that the more simple something is, the deeper it can become before there are problems, and that an overly complex system is necessarily shallow.

You're really full of yourself. You try to lecture me on the definition of the word before, but you fail to see how stubbornly confusing that one post has made us. On one hand, the mod states it will not be implemented before, on the other hand, he states that as time goes on, they might consider adding them if necessary. If literacy is the issue here, then it might have something to do with the moderators asinine statement.

[Rutelor]

Fishing out of the barrage of insults you proffer, TinnySnips, and the infortunate racist and classist half-quotes from the repertory of one of the less enlightened creatures ever to inhabit the White House (Twelve bless her!) I gather you are under an erroneous impression. I won't blame it on your literacy level, though, because that would be just plain coarse.

Your misapprehension has to do with the assumption that I state that complexity equals depth, or that I perceive that SE is purposefully eschewing either. Ah, yes... and that I am whining about it.

The problem I'm trying to highlight is the simple observable fact that the way they communicated their streamlining prospects for the class skill/spell system was woefully incompetent, and at a terrible time to be so. Nobody is more responsible for the fact that a message ends up depending on assumptions and conjectures for conveying its point than the person issuing said message. Corporate communications organisms know well that you cannot afford to blame the audience for their misunderstandings. Instead you must anticipate them.

And with all due deference to your enthusiasm and evident intellectual superiority to the minimum common denominator of these forums, the announcement in point was far too full of gaps and conjecturables to actually produce a firm positve effect. It needs to include more information, or it has to compensate for the lack of that information. But no message should ever produce a hole, like this one did. That's why I mentioned in another post that it left me feeling mutilated.

I am totally on the side of the Development Team, but this is not the time (again one month before switching to charging mode) to send out infirm communication bulletins. The trolls want nothing else.

R

[Claire_Pendragon]

Unless the features of moon phase, elemental days etc, are all explained, everything is nothing more than a guess or just ignored.
Leading to something just as simplified as if it never existed.
Unless you can see the parts of a puzzle, in which to play around with, and see their actions directly, rather than leaning towards "well it happened each time I do it, so it must be a chance to happen! each time you did it, u are just unlucky!" it will not have any meritable depth.

[Rutelor]

Unless the features of moon phase, elemental days etc, are all explained, everything is nothing more than a guess or just ignored.
Leading to something just as simplified as if it never existed.
Unless you can see the parts of a puzzle, in which to play around with, and see their actions directly, rather than leaning towards "well it happened each time I do it, so it must be a chance to happen! each time you did it, u are just unlucky!" it will not have any meritable depth.

I actually agree with this point. But more importantly, if you are changing something that was in the process of being figured out by the community, you must include a clear perspective of the changes and their effects, and try to put in the heads of your audience a vision of the goal you want to attain with these changes. Otherwise it's just plain confusing. That's what I mean by letting us share the vision.

R

[Alerith]

Moon Phases and facing direction already affect crafting.

[lordvr]

If this stuff has any impact, I hope they eliminate it. That's just play stupid.

[Sephrick]

Moon Phases and facing direction already affect crafting.

...or do they?

lulzandsuch

[RedAffinity]

wrong topic!