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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    White Mage Lv 100

    Mantra is such a weird utility tool...

    It's 7yalms, which means it only works if characters are stacked.

    It can't be used on a target, so you can't place it on a tank for tank busters.

    It lasts 15 seconds, which is pretty short when you consider the length of most utility.

    And it's on a 2 minute Cooldown, which is ridiculously long when you consider my h better stuff like Hypercharge is less than that.

    What exactly is the point of mantra? It's range, CD, and duration is all so limited you can barely plan around it unless you use it as a prepull buff or before a bosses ultimate.

    It feels like a rather forgotten tool to me.
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    Ryuko Kanzeon
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    It's really good at helping healers get the group up to full during AoEs that are in quick succession. (So, the group gets hit, the healers heal up quick, and then the group gets hit again.) Mantra isn't always make or break, but it is definitely VERY helpful at helping the healers be more efficient with their MP and spells. It's very commonly used in raiding, if it is available to the group.
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    It's on MNK, so I assume it's like that for balance (like how hallowed ground is far better than anything WAR has). As for its usability, it's good for times when the party is taking lots of damage over a period of time (nidhoggs ahk morn as an example)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuko View Post
    It's really good at helping healers get the group up to full during AoEs that are in quick succession. (So, the group gets hit, the healers heal up quick, and then the group gets hit again.) Mantra isn't always make or break, but it is definitely VERY helpful at helping the healers be more efficient with their MP and spells. It's very commonly used in raiding, if it is available to the group.
    That's just it. How often are there aoes that strong, back to back, that require you to stack?
    I can think of Nidhogg Ahk Morn, but even stuff like Mega Holy from Alexander has everyone spread out to where a 7y radius spell wouldn't reach anyone but yourself and the melee next to you.

    That's almost like if Battle Litany was 7y instead of 15y. It would just be weird.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    It's 7yalms, which means it only works if characters are stacked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    That's just it. How often are there aoes that strong, back to back, that require you to stack?
    Unless specific mechanics call for everyone to be way apart from each other, everyone should be close enough for you to hit them at 7y anyway.

    Other AoEs people miss out on if they're out in left field:
    Celestial Opposition - 10y
    Deployment Tactics - 10y
    Sacred Soil - 8y
    Collective Unconscious - 6y
    Asylum - 6y
    Cure III - 6y

    Incidentally, the set of use cases for these abilities has a large intersection with the set of use cases for Mantra (Mantra only actually affects one and a half of those, but still it would be used in the same situations as most of those).
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    Last edited by Rongway; 12-14-2016 at 06:08 PM.
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    Dr Yeol
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Mostly used during endgame when players are under geared or don't have VIT melded. Mantra will help healers top the party with less frustration.
    It is sometimes used to increase the potency of shields on players. Also, very useful when solo healing.

    You won't see players using mantra regularly because it is not needed outside of savage or extreme (Still helps though).
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    Wolf Spyder
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Far from forgotten. On Monk anyway. As a cross skill on other jobs without the trait boost, it kind of stinks.
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    Chii Soseriouz
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Mantra traited is imo valuable and underrated. It's a utility that should be coordinated with the healers for planned usage at healing intensive parts of a fight. It can also be used in an emergency like one of the healers dying and raid damage imminent. The radius is fine because there's always going to be portions of a fight where the group is stacked or fanned out closely behind the boss. Mantra can also be used pre pull for a higher deployment tactic adlo.
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Mantra is a recovery tool. It's main use is to help healers during intense portions of combat, and can often be used equally as effectively to recover from a screw up/misstep, such as a healer dying, messing up their MP management, or recovering to a stable position from a near raid wipe. Incidentally, I thought it was gonna be you. :P
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    Brown Sugar
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    Monk Lv 62
    One of the bosses in weeping city does a huge attack that happens to be ready when mantra is ready. I thought that was neat.
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