Why people hate bard using songs?

[MPNZ]

Because of the heavy DPS focus since 3.0's launch and the newer MP regeneration abilities for WHM: jobs with lots of support skills are now being pressured to focus on increasing their DPS and action management (yuck). Maybe. I've only had just a few complaints about this, but it's been the opposite for me since lv60, because I can get way too caught up in my rotations too easily and I never check my party's compositions, ever. XD

[SlyRoyale]

Speaking as a BRD main here, OP, you need to know when to play certain songs. Most of the time, you'll be playing Swiftsong and Foe Requiem, and only playing Mage's Ballad or Army's Paeon when absolutely necessary. It sounds like you're playing Ballad and Paeon when there is no need for them. If you want to make the most of your songs, this is what you have to do:

1) Swiftsong between pulls, Foe Requiem for just about every encounter.
2) Battle Voice Foe Requiem on boss encounters, or on trash if it takes 3+ minutes to get to the boss when you last used it.
3) Only play Mage's Ballad when your healers need the MP to keep everyone alive and to revive people, especially when their methods of restoring MP aren't readily available.
4) Only play Army's Paeon when your physical DPS need it, especially when they're running low and their Invigorate is on cooldown.

Follow that, and you'll be golden.

[Maero]

Blm, Smn, Ninja, healers and even DK ALL benefit from Foe, so to say Bard singing is gimping yourself out even if it just benefits say a caster and healer is not exactly good advice at all.

[SlyRoyale]

To continue from the post above mine here, the ONLY DPS loss you get from Foe Requiem is spending a GCD to play it in combat. No 10% damage penalty, just spending a GCD on a 1.5s cast to help boost the damage of your party's attack spells by making your enemies weaker to them. That one GCD spent singing the song over spending it on a Heavy Shot can be made up easily with a caster or healer DPS alone, or even your DRK AoEing and your NIN using Raiton/Katon.

Anyone who says that Foe Requiem is a DPS loss doesn't know how to play BRD properly.

[CookieMonsta]

give this a read: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...al-exploration I look for players that understand these principles.

Playing songs has its place.

[Neela]

on the other side i ask myself why Brds won't play mp songs for smns... yesterday i asked for it after ressing 2x in a row and got mad with ruin III cause oom (2 Highlevel-Brds in grp) and the answer was "Healers are fine."... oh okay... so its healers only huh?... Next time the answer will be "res is healer only as well - hakuna mata gypsy!" o.o

[Vulcwen]

on the other side i ask myself why Brds won't play mp songs for smns... yesterday i asked for it after ressing 2x in a row and got mad with ruin III cause oom (2 Highlevel-Brds in grp) and the answer was "Healers are fine."... oh okay... so its healers only huh?... Next time the answer will be "res is healer only as well - hakuna mata gypsy!" o.o

Wondering if it's even worth it..
Each ruin upgrade costs 884 MP, which is 100 refresh potency, so it takes 3.3 ticks of MP song to gain that.
Getting the 3 upgrades a rez costs back means 30s of MP song.
A 10% penalty over 30s could be considered similar to losing 10% of the time, so 1 GCD + 1 tick of each dot, so let's say about 150+90 = 240.
Then turning the song on costs a GCD as well, so another 150 potency (at least), so 390 potency is lost for BRD as a rough guess (BRDs could give a more accurate estimate maybe :P)
390 > 3*120.. so I'd not expect a brd to just sing MP for a SMN..

[Neela]

well... they won't even do 1 potency if they kiss the ground and no-one is willing to res them but yeah... DF and empathy got bad the last months and will get even worser with the 4.0 potions. ^^'

[0811]

You only want to use TP/MP songs when your party requests it, or when they are really out of gas and they don't have any resources to kill stuff.

For content like dungeons, people just want to get in and get out quick, which means fast dps. TP and MP songs reduce your dps by 10% which is nothing to scoff at, especially on big pulls.

Songs that you'll want to use are Foe's Requiem + Battle Voice for your healers' and casters' dps, Swiftsong in between pulls, and The Warden's Paean on Warrior when they use Berserk.

[Genis94]

Figured I'd add my two cents here. The only time bards should use recovery songs is when a healer has either been recently raised, or has had to raise multiple times in an encounter, thus draining their MP. Army's Paeon is rarely used, though there are situations if someone has been raised and doesn't have Invigorate, such as a WAR, or if they have been dealing damage over an extended period and have thus drained their TP. The only reason people could get upset over Foe Requiem is if you use it before a tank pulls, thus aggroing the boss/adds or if you for some reason use it when nobody is dealing magic damage. So if the situation calls for it, play on, and be sure to point out the situation if someone gets angry.