Reactive Combat

[Kiote]

the main problem here is your looking at th game now. after 1.20 you might not miss them at all, true you might. but to look at the way combat works now and see the list of what's to come, and base your fears on what will be an old system is wrong. (i wonder if ppl were scared to lose the oil lamps, when they got their electric lights fitted?)

People didn't have all their oil lamps taken away the day they got a light bulb..

These's skills offer a depth to combat that cannot be gained from any other type of skill. They literally require the player to watch and react to their enemy. No other skills in the game require that and losing these ones is a significant hit to active combat.

[grandm]

People didn't have all their oil lamps taken away the day they got a light bulb..

These's skills offer a depth to combat that cannot be gained from any other type of skill. They literally require the player to watch and react to their enemy. No other skills in the game require that and losing these ones is a significant hit to active combat.

and you don't think the new combo system will be active combat?

(ppl might not have lost their oil lamps, but over time every1 can agree there is no need for them electric does a much better job)

[Kiote]

and you don't think the new combo system will be active combat?

(ppl might not have lost their oil lamps, but over time every1 can agree there is no need for them electric does a much better job)

I do not think the Combo system is going to be a sufficient replacement for these skills. Damage wise, yes, they will most likely make up for the lost of these skill, but as far as being engaged in combat I highly doubt it. The combo system is in essence just performing two Weapon Skill in succession. Sometime you will have to move position, but that is no different from any ordinary fight. Combos will not require you to pay as close of attention to your fight and with a 10 second window they will not require any quick thinking.

[Chinook]

and you don't think the new combo system will be active combat?

(ppl might not have lost their oil lamps, but over time every1 can agree there is no need for them electric does a much better job)

Oil lamps are much better when you don't have access to electricty or battery (no electricity would mean "solo" in your metaphor).

For once, I think the concern expressed was well explained and the thread isn't titled something like "REMOVING REACTION SKILLS, THE BIGGEST ERROR SE COULD DO". Allowing these abilities to be used cross-class (not saying cross-job since we know jobs will have have more restrictions but we don't know how) wouldn't hurt anyone and benefit the people who'd rather play as classes when they need to solo.

I used to farm solo as PGL before 1.18 versus r65ish boars with those reactive skills. It was challenging and a lot of fun, and I prolly couldn't have done it without them. Combos should be fun too, so we'll have to wait and see. And again, we just have the tip of the iceberg, there might be other things coming affecting this that we don't know of.

[grandm]

Oil lamps are much better when you don't have access to electricty or battery (no electricity would mean "solo" in your metaphor).

For once, I think the concern expressed was well explained the thread isn't titled something like "REMOVING REACTION SKILLS, THE BIGGEST ERROR SE COULD DO". Allowing these abilities to be used cross-class (not saying cross-job since we know jobs will have have more restrictions but we don't know how) wouldn't hurt anyone and benefit the people who'd rather play as classes when they need to solo.

I used to farm solo as PGL before 1.18 versus r65ish boars with those reactive skills. It was challenging and a lot of fun, and I prolly couldn't have done it without them. Combos should be fun too, so we'll have to wait and see. And again, we just have the tip of the iceberg, there might be other things coming affecting this that we don't know of.

you will have no problem with any part of final fantasy if you don't have access to electricity

it had nothing to do with solo. i was trying to point out that ppl are scared of change. even when it is best

[Chinook]

it had nothing to do with solo. i was trying to point out that ppl are scared of change. even when it is best

I'm with you, the numerous complaint threads usually make me laugh (guess who's mule posted that change curve lolthread), but I found this one to be well done as it was more expressed as concern and feedback rather than the usual whining.

Anyway, can't wait to try out 1.20 and 1.21 to make myself an idea.

[Kiote]

you will have no problem with any part of final fantasy if you don't have access to electricity

it had nothing to do with solo. i was trying to point out that ppl are scared of change. even when it is best

This Thread has nothing to do with being scared of a change. This particular change offer absolutely no benefits, but is highly detrimental to a very Fun and Engaging way to play FFXIV.

This games development should make it a point to avoid destroying any kind of enjoyable play style if doing so does not offer a significant advancement in overall game play. In this case, it does not.

[Alerith]

This particular change offer absolutely no benefits, but is highly detrimental to a very Fun and Engaging way to play FFXIV.

This games development should make it a point to avoid destroying any kind of enjoyable play style if doing so does not offer a significant advancement in overall game play. In this case, it does not.

So, you've tested this content then? How do you know that it was a bad change? You say it DOES NOT offer anything significant to the advancement....

Care to link us to your tests and facts?

[Kiote]

So, you've tested this content then? How do you know that it was a bad change? You say it DOES NOT offer anything significant to the advancement....

Care to link us to your tests and facts?

I didn't say it was bad, I said it was pointless. It restricts users and offers zero benefits.

[grandm]

This Thread has nothing to do with being scared of a change. This particular change offer absolutely no benefits, but is highly detrimental to a very Fun and Engaging way to play FFXIV.

This games development should make it a point to avoid destroying any kind of enjoyable play style if doing so does not offer a significant advancement in overall game play. In this case, it does not.

says you before you have even tried it.

how can you say this has nothing to do with being scared of change, when your thread is about them taking away something (change)