Thread: 2.0..... Why

and people are fighting to pay full price per month to play this.....lol......

Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I don't see how anyone can defend stripping someone of the all their spells, making them wait a year to most likely give them to another class, and then be forced to level up the class if they want to use them. Yoshida said it wasn't his policy to do a wipe, but I don't see how anyone could view this as anything but a rollback. He doesn't want to undo people's progress, yet he takes away all of their abilities after saying he wouldn't alter the fundamentals of the class? Am I crazy or is there a level of disparity here?

No. The thing is we (players) aren't the one messing around with the engine nor source code nor backend, therefore all things done are obviously part of a grander scheme than what players can (or want to) see. Taking away abilities and spells aren't progress in the sense "Hey you just completed the main storyline!" What has to be remembered is FFXIV is undergoing an overhaul and foundation rewrite, stuff like this is to be expected -- The level cap is also being raised eventually which will introduce more spells and abilities.

An overhaul means thing can and will change. We are not experiencing 1.20 and 1.21 (major class changes overall) so we can't say the fundamentals have changed yet because who's to say the original implementation were exactly how they wanted it? The game has been an up and down rollercoaster since 2010.

Actually...

They're not busy playing Rift or WoW...

They're busy revamping the Market Ward search to make it comparable to an AH, adding a player search and LFG system that actually works, AND revamping classes AND adding a combo system.

...All in one patch.

Let's not sweat the small stuff, guys. It's one spell.
And for all the people saying that WHM/BLM or CON/THM are indistinguishable and convoluted:
One of them has AoE healing, buffing, and a panic button "ultimate attack" presumably called Holy.
One of them has Ancient Magic, convert, and nuking buffs.

That is way more diversity than we had before.
Here is my con/thm action bar as is:
Cure II, Cure III, Sac II, Sac III, prot/shell/ss/ss, blood rite, profundity, dark seal, chainspell, soughspeak, 10m MP regen, assorted debuffs, Aero, Scourge, and Shadowsear/Tornado.

On both classes, it is exactly the same, in exactly the same order. It is literally like I am playing the same class.

Originally Posted by Soukyuu

"Grander scheme"?
"This is just beta, it will get better after <insert future date here>"?
Seriously? Do you actually believe in this yourself? Dismissing issues and simply hoping for the dev team to make everything better is pretty naive, especially after what we've been through.

No matter how many times people explain why this is said it still gets ignored. If you can with a straight face write out that FFXIV today is no better than what was released in September of 2010, you have a reason to believe people are naive that the developers can't make the game better.

Players think in short term, only for themselves and generally their own personal enjoyment -- Developers think of the game overall and long term, which is why they do changes or make additions or subtractions that will benefit the game overall. SE went on record numerous times to state a lot of changes can't happen or they're doing x change in y way because of the poor server infrastructure. So the issues aren't being "dismissed", it's simply because it's a well known fact certain issues can't be fixed until they're running on the new server and client -- It's like trying to force Crysis to run on a Windows 95 built machine.