2.0..... Why

**Zanfire** · 11-23-2011 04:00 AM

and people are fighting to pay full price per month to play this.....lol......

**quantumsaint** · 11-23-2011 04:11 AM

I don't see how anyone can defend stripping someone of the all their spells, making them wait a year to most likely give them to another class, and then be forced to level up the class if they want to use them. Yoshida said it wasn't his policy to do a wipe, but I don't see how anyone could view this as anything but a rollback. He doesn't want to undo people's progress, yet he takes away all of their abilities after saying he wouldn't alter the fundamentals of the class? Am I crazy or is there a level of disparity here?

**Kiote** · 11-23-2011 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I don't see how anyone can defend stripping someone of the all their spells, making them wait a year to most likely give them to another class, and then be forced to level up the class if they want to use them. Yoshida said it wasn't his policy to do a wipe, but I don't see how anyone could view this as anything but a rollback. He doesn't want to undo people's progress, yet he takes away all of their abilities after saying he wouldn't alter the fundamentals of the class? Am I crazy or is there a level of disparity here?

Sorry man, you are arguing a point that 90% of the people on these forums are blind to.

Most of the people who post here are completely unwilling to accept that fact that Yoshida is doing the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do. You can make as many excuses as you want, engine this 2.0 that, but when you say you will not fundamentally change the way classes work and then you fundamentally change the way classes work you have lost my trust.

**grandm** · 11-23-2011 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kiote

Sorry man, you are arguing a point that 90% of the people on these forums are blind to.

Most of the people who post here are completely unwilling to accept that fact that Yoshida is doing the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do. You can make as many excuses as you want, engine this 2.0 that, but when you say you will not fundamentally change the way classes work and then you fundamentally change the way classes work you have lost my trust.

just like format i changed your words too. that is a very bold statement, what exactly has he said he would d that he is now doing the opposite with

**Spellbinder** · 11-23-2011 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by grandm

just like format i changed your words too. that is a very bold statement, what exactly has he said he would d that he is now doing the opposite with

Since you asked

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Our next class revamps will not alter the fundamentals of each class.

As such, some details will be changed, but there will not be any major changes for classes.

Of course, if there are many demands for change after we release the details of the class revamps, we will look into those demands.

Said it here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post437932

**grandm** · 11-23-2011 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Since you asked

Said it here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post437932

fundamentally they haven't changed,

GLD before change tank, after tank
MRD before change DD+tank, after DD+tank
LNC before change DD, after DD
PUG before change DD+possible evade tank, after DD possible evade tank
THM before change magic DD+back up healer, after change magic DD+ back up healer
CON before change healer, after change healer
ARC before change nerfed DD, after changer DD(maybe better time will tell maybe not)+ buffer

ok i grant you ARC has changed some what. but it was broken and couldn't stay the way it was, its still DD so they added to it not took away or changed it completely, but in general classes are fundamentally the same.

**Jennestia** · 11-23-2011 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I don't see how anyone can defend stripping someone of the all their spells, making them wait a year to most likely give them to another class, and then be forced to level up the class if they want to use them. Yoshida said it wasn't his policy to do a wipe, but I don't see how anyone could view this as anything but a rollback. He doesn't want to undo people's progress, yet he takes away all of their abilities after saying he wouldn't alter the fundamentals of the class? Am I crazy or is there a level of disparity here?

No. The thing is we (players) aren't the one messing around with the engine nor source code nor backend, therefore all things done are obviously part of a grander scheme than what players can (or want to) see. Taking away abilities and spells aren't progress in the sense "Hey you just completed the main storyline!" What has to be remembered is FFXIV is undergoing an overhaul and foundation rewrite, stuff like this is to be expected -- The level cap is also being raised eventually which will introduce more spells and abilities.

An overhaul means thing can and will change. We are not experiencing 1.20 and 1.21 (major class changes overall) so we can't say the fundamentals have changed yet because who's to say the original implementation were exactly how they wanted it? The game has been an up and down rollercoaster since 2010.

**SniperRifle** · 11-23-2011 05:42 AM

EDITEDATHOUSANDTIMES:

Man, why even speculate?

**Deceptistar** · 11-23-2011 05:50 AM

could be the programming interferes with what they want to progress with.

but damn it sucks lol

**Soukyuu** · 11-23-2011 07:28 AM

To all the people throwing around with "server architecture won't let them do what they want", please do explain me how removing all the enfeebling spell has anything to do with that? It worked before, why remove them completely? They could just remove them later when the class that is meant to get them gets released. And no, vague statements like "we'll get them back when you absolutely need them" don't make me speculate about any hidden meaning behind them.

"Grander scheme"?
"This is just beta, it will get better after <insert future date here>"?
Seriously? Do you actually believe in this yourself? Dismissing issues and simply hoping for the dev team to make everything better is pretty naive, especially after what we've been through.

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