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  1. #101
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    Watachy's Avatar
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    Koda Ko
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    Ninja Lv 80
    I litterally jumped into AST day 1 of HW realease beacause the job's trailer hyped me a lot to play this job.
    I fell in love with the job aesthetics and even so i didn't liked the i200 gear, the whole job with his gameplay and animations is god damn cool.

    Im not the type of person that will not play something for its aesthetics, don't get me wrong, jobs aesthetics are very important, but i won't mind worst aesthetics for a better gameplay and fun experience everytime i play the job.
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  2. #102
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    poffo's Avatar
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    Jezebeth Soulkeeper
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Inferiae View Post
    Didn't stop me either, but for the longest time I never touched Warrior because I don't like axes
    I can relate to that. Warriors should be able to use 2h. Maces/Hammers as well...just not to take 2h swords away from dark knights.
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  3. #103
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    The_Profezzor87's Avatar
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    Kuina Urabito
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    Ninjas.....I don't know what it is but they all look weird to me. Thanks to yu-gi-oh duel discs I can't take AST seriously either.
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  4. #104
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    Silverquick's Avatar
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Okamimaru View Post
    Honestly I was disappointed by SMN lack of summons... we only get 3? I understand that there is only so much they can do In regards to roles a summon can play but that could have been balanced out by giving us more summons and each summon applying a buff/debuff/status effects while summoned... image of we had the primal minions as our summons instead... ruda not only does her attacks but buffs spell speed for the party, Shiva increases magic invulnerability, ect.... I'd gladly give up skills like tri-bind, miasma 2, and even tri-disaster for better summons
    If they did the SMN job would absolutely suck and be a DPS class with no DPS... and relegated to the scrap heap.

    I think you need to be thinking in terms of something like that for SCHOLAR which is the support class side of Arcanist... Not for SMN.

    Summoner is a DPS job in this game.

    For the record though, there's a reason only ONE summon ever gets used while the others are little more than benchwarmers...

    Garuda has Contagion... for +15 seconds of Bio/Miasma/Bio 2 on your DoT casts... (Bio 40 per tick, Miasma 35 per tick, Bio II 35 per tick... for 5 ticks (15 seconds)) ... total Potency 550 in a BANE Area of Effect or AoE. Plus Aerial Blast 250 potency AoE.

    Ifrit has Flaming Crush every 30 seconds... ie 110 potency or 220 potency every 60 seconds... and Inferno (Enkindle) for 300 potency in a cone...

    Garuda = BANE AoE 550 potency attack (60 sec recast) + 250 potency attack (Enkindle, 5y circle) = 800 potency in attacks.
    Ifrit = 220 potency (60 seconds) + 300 potency (Enkindle, 5y cone) = 520 potency in attacks

    Its a no brainer as to why Ifrit sits the bench. Titan is a tank... so not usable unless the actual Tank goes down or DCs.

    ANY NEW PET a summoner gets...

    Their last two abilities will need to dish out at least 800 potency in attacks in 60 seconds... or they will be sitting the bench too.

    As to thinking SMN is a support class... errm no... you need to pick SCH for that. So I think that's the direction you need to go.

    At this time, the SMN is an AoE class designed to take out large groups of mobs. Both with DoTs and DDs. With Pets, Spells, and DeathFlares.

    EDIT: Think of it like this... the Black Mage is the DPS side while the White Mage is the Support class.... just as the Summoner is the DPS class and the Scholar is the Support class. That is how it plays out, so you're not going to give the BLM the types of abilities you give the WHM... any more than you give the SMN the abilities that belong square with the intents of the SCH.
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    Last edited by Silverquick; 05-14-2017 at 11:38 PM.

  5. #105
    Player Okamimaru's Avatar
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    Rastiana Bel'briar
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
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    At this point a summoner might as well just be a green... to actually call it a summoner is a joke... I'm not saying to get rid of the dots, or the aoe nuking... I'm saying give us more SUMMONS... by your argument of what they're for you could get rid of pets in general and just give us contagion and enkindle as skills... buffs and debuffs activated when summoning a specific pet would give people a reason to use more than one summon.... the damn class should live up to its damn name
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  6. #106
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    Silverquick's Avatar
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Okamimaru View Post
    At this point a summoner might as well just be a green... to actually call it a summoner is a joke... I'm not saying to get rid of the dots, or the aoe nuking... I'm saying give us more SUMMONS... by your argument of what they're for you could get rid of pets in general and just give us contagion and enkindle as skills... buffs and debuffs activated when summoning a specific pet would give people a reason to use more than one summon.... the damn class should live up to its damn name
    Or...

    Maybe... the best bet is to continue along the path Heavensward took us in.. and use the Dreadwyrm Trance for other types of actual FF style summons that aren't actual pets but rather just them using a power...

    We are assuming at this point that in Stormblood we'll get more aetherflow stacks, which allows us to do those types of powers.

    But as you can see... there is a threshhold all other pets will have to meet... or they'll just be sitting the bench alongside the other unused ones. Ifrit is actually pretty good at lower levels and prefered at lower levels before 40th when Garuda gets contagion. But after that its no contest. Whichever one does the most damage... that's the one that will get used, the other ones will be sitting the bench.

    Remember we are a DPS class, not a support class that's the SCH and those types of things step over into his territory.

    EDIT:
    Look man, you have to move on at some point... and if they toss us a useless pet, and nothing else, it will be like locking the SMN class at level 60 while all the rest of the Jobs move to level 70. Then they really WILL create a class balance issue where there was none before...
    As to where now they finally did fix the SMN in Heavensward to where it is competetive with other jobs AND has a specialty roll of AoE DPS class as a strongpoint.
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    Last edited by Silverquick; 05-14-2017 at 11:53 AM.

  7. #107
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    This is an tab target mmo, so aesthetics are the only determinor reason if i play a job/class or not
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  8. #108
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    Raubahn Extreme
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 70
    I usually distance myself from casters since im not into magic spells. I love melee dps and WAR. Close combat for the win
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  9. #109
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    About smn summon thing, i think yoshi mention it way back, they said summoner in this game is more like pet based summon where they help you in combat, not exactly you cast summon then sit and watch your summon wreck things up.

    Lore wise: i Think they mention it in smn class quest that they still cant reach enough power to summon their full potential wachamacallit so smn can only summon their 1/4 of their full power or it will be a huge life risk for the caster itself.

    Reality wise: yoshi mention that if smn summon is as full 1:1 proportion like when we fought them, it would look ugly because the whole town and everywhere we will see shiva ifrit titan all jam packed blocking everyone view, thus the "pokemon" version... And japan like pokemon so...
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  10. #110
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    Dameron Blakesley
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    I don't really get turned off from any classes due to their aesthetics, but there are classes that I'm more interested to play because of their aesthetics.

    For example, I picked Dragoon at first because I thought it looked the coolest out of all DPS classes. Then I went Paladin, because aside from needing a tank class, I just think the sword-and-board combat style fits a tank the best. I'm also planning to go for a White Mage when I pick a healing class, because I enjoy the generic straight healing archetype.
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