Enfeeble Spells and Seperating White and Black Mage.

[Seif]

It's Black, It's White
It's Tough For You
To Get By
It's Black , It's White, WhoO

but XIV has only 1 shade of gray.

[KiniRyris]

Christ man so many people are stuck in this FFXI state. People will not shut up if every job is not exactly how it was in FFXI. "Omg BLM doesnt have all the elemental skills" SO? We're still able to add them to our class...People just really need to get out of this FFXI state of mind and just play the damn game

"OMG WTF BBQ Monk isnt pure damage, what is this element attack BS? I WANT DPS ONRY"

"Combos??? That wasnt in ffxi, this game will fail, combos are fail, this game totally blows!"

"What? DRG doesnt have a dragon pet??? Nooooooooo now DRG will suck because if he doesnt have a pet, he just simply isnt good!"

"BLM Can't use Shock or Choke? AHHHHHHHHHHHH Now my BLM is completely useless bc i cant use my 50 total dmg DoT."
God forbid they add another mage they uses DoTs as a main source of damage along with slow haste etc

Sad part is, these are some of the things i've heard said

[Firon]

Christ man so many people are stuck in this FFXI state. People will not shut up if every job is not exactly how it was in FFXI. "Omg BLM doesnt have all the elemental skills" SO? We're still able to add them to our class...People just really need to get out of this FFXI state of mind and just play the damn game

"OMG WTF BBQ Monk isnt pure damage, what is this element attack BS? I WANT DPS ONRY"

"Combos??? That wasnt in ffxi, this game will fail, combos are fail, this game totally blows!"

"What? DRG doesnt have a dragon pet??? Nooooooooo now DRG will suck because if he doesnt have a pet, he just simply isnt good!"

"BLM Can't use Shock or Choke? AHHHHHHHHHHHH Now my BLM is completely useless bc i cant use my 50 total dmg DoT."
God forbid they add another mage they uses DoTs as a main source of damage along with slow haste etc

Sad part is, these are some of the things i've heard said

I agree with this everytime someone complains it feels like they are trying to make X class like XI. They need to get over it, XI first game really when blm had earth and wind spells and i hope it stays that way.

[Viridiana]

Not true but with THIS: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Magic list I could easily live with. Hell cut 50% off and we'd still have more than enough choice but still keeping black magic dedicated to one class.

Not a core FF title but even in chocobo's dungeon the gameplay was solo-only but still just the WHM OR BLM classes offered balanced options for combat. It's not that it can't be done the fixes are just too small tweaks to carve out any class identity.

Going through the by-game magic lists, this is what I found for BLM and WHM damage spells, not counting things under BLM that would never go to WHM (e.g., Meteor, Doom).

BLM:
FFI--Fire/Ice/Lightning
FFII--Fire/Ice/Lightning
FFIII--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Quake
FFIV--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Quake
FFV--Fire/Ice/Lightning
FFVI--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Quake
FFVII--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Quake
FFVIII---Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water/Aero/Quake
FFIX--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water
FFX--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water
FFX-2--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water
FFXI--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water/Aero/Quake
FFXII--Fire/Ice/Lightning/Aero

WHM:
FFI--Harm/Fade
FFII--Holy/Ultima
FFIII--Aero/Holy
FFIV--Holy
FFV--Holy
FFVI--N/A
FFVII--N/A
FFVIII--N/A
FFIX--Holy
FFX--Holy
FFX-2--N/A
FFXI--All I'm seeing on the wiki is Banish, but that doesn't seem right. . .
FFXII--Holy

So, WHM could've gotten Holy and. . . well, that's about it. People are complaining enough that CNJ only gets two DD spells to level with. Could you imagine if they only had Holy?

That notwithstanding, my point in the post you quoted was that the only consistent elements for BLM are Fire/Ice/Lightning. Water and Quake are each present in about 1/3 games. Aero is even more rare. I never once believed that one class would get all six elements; there simply isn't enough room within the fifteen-ability paradigm they've adopted. Why not give the class that leads to WHM the elements that BLM uses least?

[Roll]

First off the spell damage is utter crap. I thought it was going to be fixed with the stat algorithms, but no I still did the same crap damage. Materia system comes out, and I load up with as much Intelligence and magic attack potency as I can, and my damage is still roughly the same.

Now they say they are going to change the potency, I hope so, but I am not holding my breathe anymore on it. By their description of Black Mage having the lowest health, and no armor, my damage should be at best hit harder than what lancer hit for now against Ifrit.

Why does it sound like White Mage has 2 Two hour abilities? Benediction, and when they have the hate use the Super Bind Nuke. They can also use elemental spells. If there damage compares to mine at all, then that defeats the whole purpose of thm/Blm. The bind nuke is understandable if it is stronger than mine, because they are using all their mp. Should they have it, hell no. We won't even have shadowsear anymore, our only spell that did awesome damage.

It's like Pugilist and Archer. Unused.

As for the person who commented abiut not reading my topic, just because I made a mistake of spelling seperate instead of separate. God help me I make a few spell errors, cause you know, humans aren't supposed to make mistakes.

Good god you whine so much.

First of all, they haven't even released the Job Trait list for Classes and Jobs. BLM will more than likely get some kind of Attack Magic Potency bonus and SE will no doubt make magic DPS more noticeable otherwise THM/BLM will be useless.

Second, the WHM mega nuke(Holy) you're so jealous about could be weaker than most of THM/BLM's spells and it's more than likely going to have a good recast timer on it. It doesn't sound likely WHM's can just spam it and It's pretty much expected that WHM spell damage won't be as high as a BLM.

And third...

The bind nuke is understandable if it is stronger than mine, because they are using all their mp. Should they have it, hell no. We won't even have shadowsear anymore, our only spell that did awesome damage.

Holy is pretty much expected to be a spell for White Mages. I'd be surprised if White Mages didn't get Holy seeing as it's usually the ONLY offensive spell they learn and it's usually one of the last. And you do realize we're basically getting new spells with different/added effects. Who's to say the last BLM spells(Flare/Meteor and Freeze) won't surpass Shadowseer? And with the removal of tiers, spells are going to get stronger as you progress in level as well.

I realize you don't like to heal and you're afraid CNJ/WHM will be better than THM/BLM, but let's be realistic. WHM won't surpass BLM in spell damage. WHM's are known for healing, BLM's are known for attack magic. Stop worrying and getting jealous just because another class/job has a shiny spell that'll turn out to be some low-damage, long recast, waste of MP spell.

And by the way, THM/BLM has it's own "Self AoE damage and bind spell":

"THM Mag. 4 Self AoE Deals ice damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict Bind."
most likely Blizzara/Blizzaga

And it doesn't consume all your MP :P

[Bearforce]

i would rather wait and experience the changes then making hocus pocus threads.

at best this forums are for your personal whining when you have no life at all.

/end of thread.

[Roll]

i would rather wait and experience the changes then making hocus pocus threads.

at best this forums are for your personal whining when you have no life at all.

/end of thread.

Exactly.
Just wait and see how it is and try it out before we all start complaining before the patch even arrives. Otherwise it's just a big mess of angry assumptions.

[Answa]

Verdict for my sig?