Worst Outcome Possible

[Lucifer]

I must draw out the worst in people.
The idiot calls me a hypocrite and a tard out of the blue, and I'm the immature one? Come on...These people have some self-defense mechanism built in. The moment a valid point is slapped in their face, they start mumbling their crude verses.

[Lucifer]

Why would they state, "Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it."
For an entire year, we will have NO debuff spells. When 2.0 is released and we move forward, IF it is deemed NECESSARY to utilize them, THEY WILL LOOK IN TO IT.

I am not sure if you guys have terrible reading comprehension, or you're all the same idiots that keep stating "the next patch will fix it", but you need to draw the line somewhere and say "Oh shit, this angry guy is right."

Even if you don't care they are removing it, you can at least agree with me on this, they have simplified this to the extreme. Next thing you know, you are going to be able to heal yourself by finishing a combo that blinds your enemy and inflicts 300 damage.

[Alerith]

Even if you don't care they are removing it, you can at least agree with me on this, they have simplified this to the extreme. Next thing you know, you are going to be able to heal yourself by finishing a combo that blinds your enemy and inflicts 300 damage.

Even if putting them into combos isn't super exciting, isn't it still a little more engaging than standing in place and casting the spell?

[Lucifer]

Even if putting them into combos isn't super exciting, isn't it still a little more engaging than standing in place and casting the spell?

Hey man. If you don't like caster, that's your choice. A lot of us really love it.

[Alerith]

Hey man. If you don't like caster, that's your choice. A lot of us really love it.

I am not taking a jab at casters by any means. As a tank, I rely on them and them on me for the sake of victory.

What I'm saying is that you have this view that moving and positioning isn't tactical, but standing in place and casting isn't really either. You could even argue that mages still need to move as well to keep out of range of certain attacks while doing their casting and it's the exact same argument.

[grandm]

Why would they state, "Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it."
For an entire year, we will have NO debuff spells. When 2.0 is released and we move forward, IF it is deemed NECESSARY to utilize them, THEY WILL LOOK IN TO IT.

I am not sure if you guys have terrible reading comprehension, or you're all the same idiots that keep stating "the next patch will fix it", but you need to draw the line somewhere and say "Oh shit, this angry guy is right."

Even if you don't care they are removing it, you can at least agree with me on this, they have simplified this to the extreme. Next thing you know, you are going to be able to heal yourself by finishing a combo that blinds your enemy and inflicts 300 damage.

the bit i have bolded suggest we will get debuff mage after 2.0

the bit i underlined, is their way to reserve the right to change their mind at any time

[Viridiana]

Even if you don't care they are removing it, you can at least agree with me on this, they have simplified this to the extreme. Next thing you know, you are going to be able to heal yourself by finishing a combo that blinds your enemy and inflicts 300 damage.

Can you please stop with the slippery slopes? Besides, if I finished leveling MRD, my PGL could easily pull off a combo in game right now that would heal me for more than 300 damage while doing 600 or more damage and lowering the enemy's attack power.

[Lucifer]

Can you please stop with the slippery slopes? Besides, if I finished leveling MRD, my PGL could easily pull off a combo in game right now that would heal me for more than 300 damage while doing 600 or more damage and lowering the enemy's attack power.

Patch 1.21 *Abolished healing role in favor of a more modern play style.

[TinnySnips]

Lucifer, I think most of us seek a system with depth. Do not make the mistake of assuming that a simple system is a shallow system. The proposed changes will simplify things, while adding depth. The current system offers no depth. There is no real synergy to any of the abilities. We are being shown a list of abilities which allow for meaningful skill interactions in solo play (and in groups), and unique classes to increase the value each class adds to a party.

[TinnySnips]

Oh, and one other thing Luci, I like debuffs too! I don't think anybody wants debuffs gone, but it is temporary (even if it takes a year, which I hope it does not). I would just rather see a class focused primarily on them, and I would like if there were just a handful of very useful debuffs, so there would be a reason to use them in most situations. As it stands, they are highly situational and rarely used in meaningful encounters.

If you want to start a thread asking the Devs to bring the debuff class to the game sooner rather than later, then I will be in that thread, on your side. If you are going to say that we need to keep the debuffs we have and that this class change is terrible because it lacks them... then I am against you, because our current stock of debuffs is terrible. I want abilities that I will use, not abilities to fill spots because, "Hey, I have 64 ability points, why not?"