Unwanted, unfortunate, and unheard community

[TiramisuMacaron]

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You realize most of the changes being made aren't going to stop most of your examples. The first 60s is still fair game for using chat. All trash talk by toxic people will be moved there. People will be more judged on their reputation, with very little abiliy to change that reputation. And people always talk behind other peoples back (twitch chat, etc). An MMO is like an online highschool, what do you think people do in /l all the time?

[TiaHariberux3]

You realize most of the changes being made aren't going to stop most of your examples. The first 60s is still fair game for using chat. All trash talk by toxic people will be moved there. People will be more judged on their reputation, with very little abiliy to change that reputation. And people always talk behind other peoples back (twitch chat, etc). An MMO is like an online highschool, what do you think people do in /l all the time?

Well but atleast the people dont have to experience it in party chat. Not like I care since the ppl who mostly complained about it on the forums mostly never say anything useful in the party chat anyways from my datacentres. If they do it could be done with a simple macro/command.

[kensatsu]

i disagree with this change, but yep if it just happen because some players is trash talking, you can compare an mmo and a high school, in reality it's the same, it's a shame, nobody should allow this and say it's ok, or after this we allow also harrasement ect... no matter if it's real life highschool or a mmo game.
You can say we loose because any player make this mistake for exemple : a player not focusing the good target. without kid trashtalking.
So SE come with this... And if players still trash talking, SE will decide somthething else?
I still disagree with this chat destruction off course but it's not like i agree with the trashtalking occuring so often. Also i think SE don't decide this for the toxicity but also to force players to have the same tools even the macros.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No regular pvper asked for this true but regular pvpers are the reason for this change tho. If we werent so toxic it wouldnt have happened comparing it to PvE is not a good comparison because you meet toxic behaviour for example in ex roulette less likely than in a feast match. Its a shame if all or atleast most of the regular pvpers in feast wouldnt be toxic we could have avoided this. Tbh I dont think anything big will change commands are probably enough.

Again, without official word from SE, that's merely assumption on the community's part. Strong logic behind it, yes, but I personally dislike when someone makes a blanket statement I know doesn’t apply to me. Yes I get mad, yes I have gripes and grudges with other players sometimes, but I won't fire off at someone and make then feel bad. Purely cause I wouldn't want that done to me. The Golden Rule. It still exists, and by my experience I've met far more players that follow it that not.

The comparison to toxicity in PvE content is necessary and valid if only to bring attention to the double standard at work. A crime isn't less illegal because it happens less or less frequently in a given area. So why is "less likely than in a Feast match" okay at all? How is raging on an Ozma wipe any different than, or lesser than raging in a Feast match? This, more than anything is what needs to be communicated and made clear, if perhaps SE doesn't see it. By that same token, this is an appeal to SE by way of the means they've given us to do so. If we can't be heard through what they provide us, how can we be heard ?

[TiaHariberux3]

The comparison to toxicity in PvE content is necessary and valid if only to bring attention to the double standard at work. A crime isn't less illegal because it happens less or less frequently in a given area. So why is "less likely than in a Feast match" okay at all? How is raging on an Ozma wipe any different than, or lesser than raging in a Feast match? This, more than anything is what needs to be communicated and made clear, if perhaps SE doesn't see it. By that same token, this is an appeal to SE by way of the means they've given us to do so. If we can't be heard through what they provide us, how can we be heard ?

Its not a blanket statement at all 99% of the times smth is been said in a feast match which can be counted as harassment. I certainly not agree or disagree with this but some ppl on this forum who are so hard against it are toxic in feast. So its just funny to me xD.

[Nirokun]

Playing on chaos and aether dc I experienced that the ones who stick with pvp aka the regulars are the toxic and they are far away from just few. In the other thread about "disable feast chat" I could give u some examples of toxic player they are by no means bad and play regular pvp still are toxic some of those helpful ppl who write guides got already bans in the past cause they were toxic in feast . Its hard for new players I can tell you I saw some "new" players who were improving by the time and still got hated by the community either party chat/twitch chat or voice chat. Make smth stupid and you are a meme in the eyes of the pvp community. This is the truth atleast for these two datacentres (idk about primal). There were some players for example a platinum healer who is imo not even that great flaming our dps before the gate opens and types more than playing then they rage about the dps leaving. I wont even deny that Im sometimes toxic and make fun about others with other players its definitely more than simply a "few". Just check the other thread several regulars on the first page are toxic too its common af

IMO Primal isn't like anything you've described. I know some people in PVP talk about playing on Aether DC PVP, but I only have the one character on Primal.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I won't deny that there are in fact toxic players, but even the ones who aren't see both issues at large in that disabling a means of communication if only to punish or mitigate misuse will do more harm than good, and that by and large the PvP community goes unanswered or even ignored at length. Regardless of your stance on these issues, they are undeniable truths that speak very ill of the way the community is handled.

It took 3 years of begging, suggesting, and pleading to finally get the means to duel and soon, GC restrictions lifted. Angry minion collectors were answered in a less than 2 weeks. Sure, the scale of the changes are vastly different, but it's a matter of one community within the game having their complaints actually answered vs another barely getting anything; content, changes, or even explanations of said changes. Would this be okay if it were any other community in the game? Why is it okay for just PvPers to get such treatment?

[kensatsu]

It's sure if the pvp is the last thing where players is heard, i can understand the pvp community is little but it will stay little forever if it's all time the last content to get something.
3 years for the GC restriction removed, finaly.
And no it's not ok. PVP is too much the last focus, earing for top 10 is just too low for replacement of the minion that will be aviable for everyone after. Also i don't understand why crying for a minion and not for the gear... everything in the game like glamour, mount, minion is collectable item. for me it don't make any sense, anything can be a limited reward.

[Moonlite]

Angry minion collectors were answered in a less than 2 weeks. Sure, the scale of the changes are vastly different, but it's a matter of one community within the game having their complaints actually answered vs another barely getting anything; content, changes, or even explanations of said changes. Would this be okay if it were any other community in the game? Why is it okay for just PvPers to get such treatment?

Well they have answered PvPers in the past about dueling and GC restrictions. It was just no followed by a questionable excuse. The minion people got a yes but no real answer yet.

Due to the short nature of matches, current PvE tools to regulate players behavior don't work. Now if this was a few other companies we would have gotten a stat like X% of all games lead to a GM complaint. Or X% of players never do more then 10 matches in feast.

Also it is obvious that SE is running this game with as little staff as possible. And while raids have just as low a population participation, they make for good promo and selling videos. If the manpower was available people have had better options. This has got to be the easiest and cheapest fix. A more reasonable choice would be the first three tiers of ranking with no chat. But that comes back to not as easy and cheap.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm not inclined to believe it's a lack of resources or staff that perpetuates this problem. However if that were the case, it'd at least be nice to know. But that's just it; we're barely told anything. A few players offered the far more practical solution of disabling chat for players that abuse it, as a light penalty (which, in hopes would make them think twice about their actions/words and perhaps not repeat them in the future), but with no prior word or warning, we're hit with a blanket fix to the issue. There are indeed easier and cheaper ways to fix this, and many have been expressed, but as of yet, with no correspondence from SE, we're left to assume the change WILL happen despite any input from us. And that will be a very bad thing for all.

Because if they can just do that with PvP, who or what is next?