Unwanted, unfortunate, and unheard community

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Now more than ever, we need our small community to speak up. They tell us to communicate what we want or don't want on the forums, so let this be a proving grounds.

Disabling the text chat in favor of a preset command system is going to limit communication and frustrate players, if not completely turn them away from the Feast, AND NO REGULAR PVPER HAS ASKED FOR, OR WANTS THIS CHANGE. Please do not ignore us on this. Please reach out to us on this. What inspired this change? How can we possibly find a good compromise on the matter?

We, the PvP community is officially reaching out to you for answers. You answered upset minion collectors within days. Please offer us the same courtesy.

[TiaHariberux3]

Disabling the text chat in favor of a preset command system is going to limit communication and frustrate players, if not completely turn them away from the Feast, AND NO REGULAR PVPER HAS ASKED FOR, OR WANTS THIS CHANGE. Please do not ignore us on this. Please reach out to us on this. What inspired this change? How can we possibly find a good compromise on the matter?
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No regular pvper asked for this true but regular pvpers are the reason for this change tho. If we werent so toxic it wouldnt have happened comparing it to PvE is not a good comparison because you meet toxic behaviour for example in ex roulette less likely than in a feast match. Its a shame if all or atleast most of the regular pvpers in feast wouldnt be toxic we could have avoided this. Tbh I dont think anything big will change commands are probably enough.

[Nirokun]

No regular pvper asked for this true but regular pvpers are the reason for this change tho. If we werent so toxic it wouldnt have happened comparing it to PvE is not a good comparison because you meet toxic behaviour for example in ex roulette less likely than in a feast match. Its a shame if all or atleast most of the regular pvpers in feast wouldnt be toxic we could have avoided this. Tbh I dont think anything big will change commands are probably enough.

I don't know how your experiences have been, but I would say very few people in PVP are vocally intolerant of anything they deem "not good enough". I've traditionally been a SMN in feast (let's not go there with how people think SMN should be played), but this season I'm starting very late and took up AST. I've only healed in FL with AST/WHM, so the pressure in the Feast is very different. Surely, some people were upset.

But there is a difference between asking me "Why did I die healer, I was next to you" and "Don't play healer if you don't know how to heal". One asks for me consider how I played, the other tells me to stop playing. Both make me feel "bad", because I don't want my teammates to die, but only one makes me pause and think about what I could have done better (usually, a mis-click or not anticipating the dmg, if it's my fault). If I'm CC'd and can't do anything (Purify on CD) other than ask for Purify, I let it roll off my back because I couldn't have done anything in that situation aside from consider how I could have changed my CD use. I think I've gotten a lot better in a short span of time, thanks to the input. But I think others would just get upset and not use the criticism to get better, because some people can't take any form of criticism and just shut down, or lash out. I don't think they should be catered to with the chat-ban.

While I do agree some players are "mouthy" and offer nothing when they type into the chat, those are few and far between.

[TiaHariberux3]

While I do agree some players are "mouthy" and offer nothing when they type into the chat, those are few and far between.

Playing on chaos and aether dc I experienced that the ones who stick with pvp aka the regulars are the toxic and they are far away from just few. In the other thread about "disable feast chat" I could give u some examples of toxic player they are by no means bad and play regular pvp still are toxic some of those helpful ppl who write guides got already bans in the past cause they were toxic in feast . Its hard for new players I can tell you I saw some "new" players who were improving by the time and still got hated by the community either party chat/twitch chat or voice chat. Make smth stupid and you are a meme in the eyes of the pvp community. This is the truth atleast for these two datacentres (idk about primal). There were some players for example a platinum healer who is imo not even that great flaming our dps before the gate opens and types more than playing then they rage about the dps leaving. I wont even deny that Im sometimes toxic and make fun about others with other players its definitely more than simply a "few". Just check the other thread several regulars on the first page are toxic too its common af

[TiramisuMacaron]

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You realize most of the changes being made aren't going to stop most of your examples. The first 60s is still fair game for using chat. All trash talk by toxic people will be moved there. People will be more judged on their reputation, with very little abiliy to change that reputation. And people always talk behind other peoples back (twitch chat, etc). An MMO is like an online highschool, what do you think people do in /l all the time?

[Nirokun]

Playing on chaos and aether dc I experienced that the ones who stick with pvp aka the regulars are the toxic and they are far away from just few. In the other thread about "disable feast chat" I could give u some examples of toxic player they are by no means bad and play regular pvp still are toxic some of those helpful ppl who write guides got already bans in the past cause they were toxic in feast . Its hard for new players I can tell you I saw some "new" players who were improving by the time and still got hated by the community either party chat/twitch chat or voice chat. Make smth stupid and you are a meme in the eyes of the pvp community. This is the truth atleast for these two datacentres (idk about primal). There were some players for example a platinum healer who is imo not even that great flaming our dps before the gate opens and types more than playing then they rage about the dps leaving. I wont even deny that Im sometimes toxic and make fun about others with other players its definitely more than simply a "few". Just check the other thread several regulars on the first page are toxic too its common af

IMO Primal isn't like anything you've described. I know some people in PVP talk about playing on Aether DC PVP, but I only have the one character on Primal.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No regular pvper asked for this true but regular pvpers are the reason for this change tho. If we werent so toxic it wouldnt have happened comparing it to PvE is not a good comparison because you meet toxic behaviour for example in ex roulette less likely than in a feast match. Its a shame if all or atleast most of the regular pvpers in feast wouldnt be toxic we could have avoided this. Tbh I dont think anything big will change commands are probably enough.

Again, without official word from SE, that's merely assumption on the community's part. Strong logic behind it, yes, but I personally dislike when someone makes a blanket statement I know doesn’t apply to me. Yes I get mad, yes I have gripes and grudges with other players sometimes, but I won't fire off at someone and make then feel bad. Purely cause I wouldn't want that done to me. The Golden Rule. It still exists, and by my experience I've met far more players that follow it that not.

The comparison to toxicity in PvE content is necessary and valid if only to bring attention to the double standard at work. A crime isn't less illegal because it happens less or less frequently in a given area. So why is "less likely than in a Feast match" okay at all? How is raging on an Ozma wipe any different than, or lesser than raging in a Feast match? This, more than anything is what needs to be communicated and made clear, if perhaps SE doesn't see it. By that same token, this is an appeal to SE by way of the means they've given us to do so. If we can't be heard through what they provide us, how can we be heard ?

[TiaHariberux3]

The comparison to toxicity in PvE content is necessary and valid if only to bring attention to the double standard at work. A crime isn't less illegal because it happens less or less frequently in a given area. So why is "less likely than in a Feast match" okay at all? How is raging on an Ozma wipe any different than, or lesser than raging in a Feast match? This, more than anything is what needs to be communicated and made clear, if perhaps SE doesn't see it. By that same token, this is an appeal to SE by way of the means they've given us to do so. If we can't be heard through what they provide us, how can we be heard ?

Its not a blanket statement at all 99% of the times smth is been said in a feast match which can be counted as harassment. I certainly not agree or disagree with this but some ppl on this forum who are so hard against it are toxic in feast. So its just funny to me xD.

[Noutaja]

We are being treated as secondary for we are the minority.

And Thirdchild, your claim: "NO REGULAR PVPER HAS ASKED FOR, OR WANTS THINS CHANGE!!1" is based on ignorance for I am living proof. The opinions of pvpers on this chat removal thing is completely split in half if not more towards chat getting removed. And then the pve folks who are simply too afraid to take on the salt mountain, are really looking forward to being able to try feast out without fear. Alot of us completely disagree with your claim, believe it or not it is true. I wont discuss this subject any further with you as I have already done in the past, and nothing will change SE's decision regarding this matter, which is great. Crying cant always help. Not even if minions are to be collected.

What I actually hope for, is that some of the "regular pvpers who are toxic" (quoting from above statements im not saying there are any i dont need another ban), lose their interest in pvp/feast due to these much needed changes and make room for new, very welcome people.

All I care for in this game are my friends and the healthy continuous growth of feast, so that it can reach its prime. The toxicity of the chat is what is holding the growth of feast back, big time (my opinion). And I believe this is the main reason why the chat is being removed and SE sees this and is taking radical action.

[TiramisuMacaron]

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First, 40+ thumbs up on the first post to not remove chat, and like 10(?) on the post to not remove it isn't split. There is no data showing it it split, a majority of people who posted there are anti removal with a minority being pro-removal. Removing won't revitalize the mode for several reasons. Mainly because you can already filter chat and ignore everything, but people don't. They are making something that is already an option mandatory, which is what I have a problem with. I'll deal with toxic people if it means I can strategize with other people. Again, people should talk about chat removal in the thread for chat removal.

It also sounds like you'd have more fun in 8v8 than a ranked game mode. Custom games also exist, where you can just play with your friends. In WoW, when they removed chat from arenas people would just send nasty tells to people after the match. Ask SE to make unranked 4v4 like they were supposed to, ranked is supposed to be serious and stressful even without chat. People not taking it seriously at the moment are the problem, and that isn't their fault. So I agree with you there, you should have a place to have fun, I just don't think that place should be a ranked game type. It is SE fault for not giving them an unranked alternative, or making custom games have a cross server system.

Being treated as secondary for being the minority doesn't mean someone shouldn't be heared. Saying it's okay to treat minorities poorly is like calling slavery ok. I read your points, agree to some, and disagree with others. I crafted a reply to get more of your input. Even though I believe you are a minority here I am valuing your opinion and responding to it. This is all that has to happen for me to be personally satisfied with SE.