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    Cabalabob's Avatar
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    If you're going to fix jobs through level cap raises...

    So a lot of jobs had complaints in 2.x about their jobs, e.g. PLD is boring, WAR has no OT stance, SMN damage sucks especially in AoE. Etc. Etc.

    So instead of making job adjustments, SE fixed these jobs through a level cap rise, 50-60 PLD got more combos, WAR got an OT stance, SMN got painflare and deathflare.

    So great, that's fine, jobs are now improved. Problem is, you then force us back into level 50 capped content every chance you get... e.g. daily roulettes and wondrous tails.

    So, if you're going to fix jobs through level cap raises... let us use all our skills while level capped.

    Our stats will still be capped so it's not like these skills will be too strong in old content, it will just let us continue to use our 60 rotation at lower levels, applying the job fixes from the level cap rise to old content.
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    Tobias Lashell
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    They already addressed this, they are going to revamp the whole battle system. No details on how or what they changing but sounds like it's going to be major.
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    Annah Gynnterais
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    i just want one more AOE ability for Dragoon
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    Durti Monkeytoe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    So instead of making job adjustments, SE fixed these jobs through a level cap rise, 50-60 PLD got more combos, WAR got an OT stance, SMN got painflare and deathflare.
    They didn't add 10 levels to make job adjustments, they added 10 levels to expand the content. That is the entire point of an expansion. the 10 levels allowed them to create new zones for us to level through, new gear to craft and collect, and new raids, primals, and dungeons for us to challenge. 10 extra levels also requires new job actions and while they may have added actions with the intent of making jobs more interesting, they didn't increase the level cap specifically to make job adjustments (Which is exactly what they ARE doing for the Stormblood expansion.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    So great, that's fine, jobs are now improved. Problem is, you then force us back into level 50 capped content every chance you get... e.g. daily roulettes and wondrous tails.
    They are not FORCING you to do anything. You are basically asking to run the dungeons uncapped (which you can already do btw). It's like saying you want to run Tam Tara or Toto Rak with all your level 50 abilities and still be able to get the rewards granted by the dungeon. The content is designed and optimized for level 50 classes. And before anyone argues that they could cap the abilities themselves, this would take development time. Currently level caps don't cap abilities, they simply cap levels and ilvls.

    But back to my previous point, they aren't forcing you to do anything. What do you honestly get out of level 50 roulettes? Lore and Poetics? All of it is outdated. I don't think you get Scriptures for level 50 roulette, though correct me if I am wrong on that. Regardless, you don't have to run all your daily roulettes every day to be able to hit your cap on scriptures.

    Also, most things in WT count if you run them unsynced. The only thing you can't run unsynced is the 24 man raids.
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    Gravton Pentest
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    Diabolos
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Meh some people just like to argue. I understand that you are saying they added skills to improve a jobs composition so I won't fixate on "The whole point of the expansion" part. Anyone who has played a video game that had an expansion doesn't need an explanation on why expansions exist. I agree with you, there is no reason not to give us the abilities we have learned. In content that is 3 years old, at some point it just needs to die. Giving me a reason to run Satasha again, does not make Satasha any more fun than it was last time I ran it. Running Satasha with all of my abilities would probably make it more fun, but only for a couple of runs because.....its still Satasha.
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    Bard Lv 60
    You don't have to do leveling roulette, the tome bonus is poop. For WT stickers, run it unsynched
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    J'azih Dahj
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annah View Post
    i just want one more AOE ability for Dragoon
    Doomspike, Geirkogul, Ring of Thorns and Dragonfire Dive isn't enough for you?! We already have fine AoE.
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    So a lot of jobs had complaints in 2.x about their jobs, e.g. PLD is boring, WAR has no OT stance, SMN damage sucks especially in AoE. Etc. Etc.

    So instead of making job adjustments, SE fixed these jobs through a level cap rise, 50-60 PLD got more combos, WAR got an OT stance, SMN got painflare and deathflare.

    So great, that's fine, jobs are now improved. Problem is, you then force us back into level 50 capped content every chance you get... e.g. daily roulettes and wondrous tails.
    First, a SMN also got a change to bane that spreads it to all enemies - so even at level 50, SMN AoE is godly (Shadowflare, Bio II, Bio, Miasma, Blizzard II = 145 potency per tick and 50 potency per GCD x # of mobs).

    Second, you can do WT without level sync. Honestly, I have not synced to a dungeon from 60 downwards in... I can't remember when. Possibly, just over a year ago?
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    Last edited by Kaurie; 11-24-2016 at 09:48 AM.

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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Whoa! You are not forced to run outdated content. And I don't know if you can even call it "outdated". So long as there are new subscribers the 'older' content remains relevant. You also need to keep in mind that if you roulette this content, it's not just you that needs something in there. Whether someone needs it for their zodiac, is trying to unlock their roulette or doing WT, farming tomes or gear, or simply just enjoys the dungeon, everyone is in there for a reason. It's not just about you, and you do the FFXIV community as a whole a great service running these things, despite how eye gouging tedious it has become for you. It's typically a bad sign for a MMO when older content is truly outdated from my experience.

    As for having 50-60 abilities in the older content, what you're asking for is the very important level restriction/sync to be lifted. It's not so much the potency of your abilities but rather their effects that make them OP in earlier levels. The content is not designed with these abilities in mind, but rather the abilities available to players at those levels.
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I've been toying around with the idea of making a gearset to be level 50 equivalent with the idea of unsynching stuff but still being at the 'proper' power level...

    Of course...
    Trying to arrange a party for that would probably be even more difficult than just getting a synched party, which is more difficult then finding people who would rather just faceroll it unsynched...
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