Which Tank is Better Off MT?

[bounddreamer]

PLD dps can't be discounted. Our PLD's numbers on Faust were only slightly lower than our Scholar's for the past few weeks. One week he was ahead of me and I was so ashamed -_- I'd made some mistakes in my rotation.

Also - if the other tank doesn't have a stance on, with me at least, I'm waiting to see what you turn on. If you put on sword oath or just Darkside, I'll turn on Defiance. If you put on Grit or Shield Oath, I'll turn on Deliverance. That or I'll just ask which role you want as I, and most tanks, are comfortable with either.

[RamothElggur]

In Pugs tbh: do whatever u feel like it! It does not really amtter as long as teh Tank who ist MTing the Boss keeps aggro. i personaly dont really give a damn in DF stuff caus its so low tuned etc.

In proper Raid Situations: There is NO pure MT/OT ...

Idealy both tanks synergize their abilites, trying to stay out of tank stance as much as they can etc., ..... that MT/OT mentality however deos not apply in a proper Raid situation.

having the mentality of beeing pure OT/MT depending on your role is kinda wrong in this game

[Sarcatica]

For MT, DRK gains the most while WAR gains the least.

In normal content, it is normally the best to let DRK MT as much as possible, PLD being the 2nd in priority.

In the best comp, you want WAR to pull first for the most part then at some point DRK takes the aggro. DRK will slowly lose aggro to anyone in a very high tier setup due to minimal aggro management and Grit-less tanking which makes WAR pulling a lot better. PLD doesn't suffer from aggro generation like DRK but that fact that you are bringing PLD instead of DRK is suboptimal due to how PLD is a shittier ver. of DRK. To play DRK at the highest level also demands a great team to work around DRK's weak aggro. When members steal aggro, DRK needs to work much harder to top up aggro which is a total DPS loss. Everyone needs to reduce aggro generation whenever possible.

In a raid situation, there is no MT/OT mostly because you want to squeeze the most value out of the both tanks' CDs while enabling tanking in DPS stance as much as possible. FF14 is different from most mmos due to the DPS meta too which has been present for much longer than you might think.

[Khalithar]

It's mostly a personal preference to me, I generally prefer to MT and most tanks I group with are happy to let me. Regardless of the class I usually just say "want me to MT?" The answer is almost always "yes." If they say "no" I'm cool with that to.

[Madepossible]

Interesting how NA EU is the opposite of jp standards. War can still put out high damage if it is the Main Tank by stance dancing, while Paladin can go in sword oath and utilize it's max dps. In my opinion War should always be MT and DRK/PLD Off tank.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Interesting how NA EU is the opposite of jp standards. War can still put out high damage if it is the Main Tank by stance dancing, while Paladin can go in sword oath and utilize it's max dps. In my opinion War should always be MT and DRK/PLD Off tank.

Tbf, dps wise the priority would go DRK, War, then PLD at the tail end. DRK gains reprisal AND low blow procs in main tank.

[Sarcatica]

Interesting how NA EU is the opposite of jp standards. War can still put out high damage if it is the Main Tank by stance dancing, while Paladin can go in sword oath and utilize it's max dps. In my opinion War should always be MT and DRK/PLD Off tank.

WAR only gains Vengeance and BB combo when MT, DRK gains more mana for dase, low blow and reprisal, PLD gets shield swipe. WAR MT gains the least and that's a fact. The only thing have WAR MT going is just for the initial aggro and that's it while DRK/PLD pulling is a huge DPS loss. You can see fflogs why most top speedruns for a10s-a12s have war pulling. The reason is as simple as aggro and DRK/PLD has huge burst at opener that relies heavily on WAR pulling.

As a DRK, I get to peak at <2.7k++ at opener when my WAR pulls first and WAR easily does about the same or more while MT. When you look into maximizing total DPS as a raid group, this small adjustment is what enables DRK to do huge damage. Ofc granted that you need good tanks to enable both aggro and damage. Compare this to DRK pulling, you are 100% sure to lose aggro over time because without Grit and DASE spam, you have to top up aggro.

[lulunami]

DRK/PLD are still going to be the main tank in general. WAR is really good as an off tank although it is a good main tank too.

For DPS optimizations purposes, groups can have the WAR pull the boss in Defiance with Unchained, pop Equilibrium for the aggro burst, switch into Deliverance after a GCD or whenever, then the DRK/PLD provoke and take the aggro lead in Sword Oath/Grit Off. WAR then just rotates Storm's Eye combos and Berserk Fell Cleave and things. DRK/PLD can do their burst opener without worrying about aggro combo.

DRK/PLD lose out on procs if they are off-tanking which lowers raid DPS. That is why most speed run groups still have DRK main tank with a WAR off tank.

[Hayward]

Answer: Any tank who gives enough of a damn about defense, i.e. anyone who doesn't have the mindset of James Harden of the Houston Rockets.

[Galactimus]

My i270 PLD now does slightly more DPS than my i270 DRK if I forget to reapply Scourge every 30 seconds. At least on fights where DRK can't inflate my DPS using AoE's on trash mobs. A person that has mastered DRK still deals more DPS than a PLD. However, there is very little room for error. Keep in mind that a PLD (with a much easier rotation) does the same DPS if you fail to keep Scourge up or fall out of Darkside one too many times. Things a PLD rotation never has to think about.

DRK greatly rewards those whom can micro manage everything to perfection.
PLD's simplicity rewards you with higher raid awareness; not having to keep an eye on MP bars and non-combo dot timers constantly.