Motivation for raiding

[Zojha]

Despite being notoriously hard players still did it because it was worthwhile..

So wouldn't, by the same logic, it be best to gate the MSQ and thus future expansions behind raids? Because that most certainly would be called a "worthwhile" reward.

The way I see it, raiding just isn't considered fun by most and therefore, people are rightfully asking the question: "Why bother?" Rewards are and will always stay a bribe, a compensation, damages for pain and suffering. A means to get people to do something they don't enjoy (for whatever reason). And similarly, if people rather go do PotD than Sophia EX for a i255 weapon, they enjoy PotD more - which says quite a bit, considering learning and then farming Sophia is faster than getting a Kinna from my experiences. But that's assuming the weapon is the "only" thing people want from PotD and they don't care about the loot pinata that is hoards.
As such, I am glad they aren't trying to "motivate" people with excessive rewards. I think they are already overdoing it in many places.

That said: I personally wouldn't raid if I hadn't been asked to join a static and the social activity is all that keeps me. The raids themselves are just a big, punishing game of memory, which is not overly enjoyable and I can sympathize with everyone who nopes out and rather does something else instead.

[FunkYeahDragons]

I like big boss battles and solving puzzles.

Skill and motivation are linked. You can throw 1,000,000,000 Novice Halls and training exercises out there to fix the "low skill", but if players aren't interested in story or challenging themselves they won't do it.

[Khubla_Kha]

Gear treadmills as a reward suck. There is no motivation offered by the game for raiding beyond doing content with friends in a more tightly scripted arena than the standard PuG/DF faceroll content. That is fine and has been stated pretty clearly (in words and actions) by the folks in charge of the game as being the primary directive for "high end" raid content in the game. Any reward you can get from it for the next tier's release will already be available through casual/faceroll content before the new tier even releases. As noted that is fine if that is how the devs continue to design content they are just going to see continually low numbers of the population bothering to ever touch the content because it is meaningless in terms of reward which is far more of a motivation in a game where developing good connections and a solid group you play with is secondarily important since 95% of content can be face rolled with PuGs.

[Maero]

The thing has been i have noticed, and i will call it the "Sophia patch", unless you all ready had a static or have one you could not do hardly anything it would seem.
I still could not find to this day groups to do Sophia EX let alone Alex Savage (have cleared it just cannot farm it because lack of groups), so count me in as the % of people not raiding right now, very frustrating as hell. I was excited when Sophia and new raids came, now i find it hard to even log in.
So i guess could say i lost all motivation there.
I feel as though a large number of players it is the same, Raiding does not 100% have to do with skill, anyone could attempt content if given the opportunity.
As for gear, kind of makes no sense to me, you clear say as example up to A12S and you may not even get any of the gear yet, so if one completes the content, why is the gear then needed? lol

[Nyghtmarerobu]

I raid because I like to challenge myself. I like to push myself past my known limits and see where I can get to. At the same time, I don't like to grind my face against cement, and the more difficult tiers of alex, I didn't bother with as it was more of an impossibility in my eyes, and I don't consider myself a bad player. What I would like to see is, fair and challenging, fair being the keyword here, for future endgame content. I want to feel like I have a chance and make headway when I raid for a few hours a night.

[XxClavainxX]

This is a great question! I do not raid and here is my 2 cents on why:

1. The raiding community in this game seems to only want people who already know the fight. The vast majority of party finder groups I see simply do not want people who do not already have experience in the raid. This creates a scenario where you have a limited number of people who have experience and a large group who do not and have limited ways to aquire it.

2. The raiding community in this game can often come across as stand off-ish or elitist (either rightly or wrongly). This causes players like myself to not be all that interested in being a part of that. I work, have 3 kids and so play this game for fun, not as a way of life. It stops being fun when it becomes about finger pointing and placing blame when things don't go well.

[XxClavainxX]

This is a great question! I do not raid and here is my 2 cents on why:

1. The raiding community in this game seems to only want people who already know the fight. The vast majority of party finder groups I see simply do not want people who do not already have experience in the raid. This creates a scenario where you have a limited number of people who have experience and a large group who do not and have limited ways to aquire it.

2. The raiding community in this game can often come across as stand off-ish or elitist (either rightly or wrongly). This causes players like myself to not be all that interested in being a part of that. I work, have 3 kids and so play this game for fun, not as a way of life. It stops being fun when it becomes about finger pointing and placing blame when things don't go well.

[FunkYeahDragons]

In terms of learning fights, I suggest sitting in PF with a couple friends during peak hours even if it takes most of the time to fill. I've seen at least half a dozen the past week for A9s/A10s and helped a few of them get a clear.

[rjspencer4]

Needing a static and having to adhere to a raiding schedule turns me off, haven't attempted a single savage floor and have no intention of doing so in the future.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

The raiding community in this game seems to only want people who already know the fight. The vast majority of party finder groups I see simply do not want people who do not already have experience in the raid. This creates a scenario where you have a limited number of people who have experience and a large group who do not and have limited ways to aquire it.

I hate to be that person, but its not anybody's fault except your own if you can't get into raiding due to experience. There are many ways to help with learning, and you have to put in a little backbone and legwork to get started. Raid finder exsists and I see lots of good results from it on the forums, I would suggest giving it a try if you want to actually get involved in raiding..

2. The raiding community in this game can often come across as stand off-ish or elitist (either rightly or wrongly). This causes players like myself to not be all that interested in being a part of that. I work, have 3 kids and so play this game for fun, not as a way of life. It stops being fun when it becomes about finger pointing and placing blame when things don't go well.

You can play the game how you want, but when you're playing the cutting edge content, everyone needs to be playing their best. If you can't accept simple criticism when mistakes are made, or you are under preforming, your group will never get anywhere. Raiding can be fun, but winning is fun too, and all it takes is one person to under preform and the whole things falls apart. You have to be able to point fingers when things are wrong and fix the problem. I can understand that you might not like it, but its just a fact of life. If you do your real-life job shitty, you will get pointed out.. simple as that..