Motivation for raiding

[Espritduo]

Some great points here but I think there's a couple of points you missed. Everything this game does is done with the aim of accessibility. from a game standpoint Savage raiding is as accessible as it can possibly be. literally all you need to do is get to 60 grab some 250 crafted gear, jump in the raid finder and go. they can't really do much to make it more accessible than that.

I don't know about that. There's a lot of things about raiding that are intentionally done to make it as inaccessible as humanly possible. You say all you need to do is jump into raid finder and go...but that never works. You'll be sitting in a queue that never fills because of all the restrictions and punishments for trying to raid. After my raiding hours for the week I've tried using raid finder for some extra practice in things like A11s and A12s...it never once even half filled, even after entire days in the queue. The problems that create such ridiculous lack of participation in raiding are pretty unnecessary and only serve to force people into dedicated statics or GTFO:

1. You can only access a floor if you have cleared the previous floors, per week. Get rid of this BS. Once you clear a floor, it should be cleared forever, like all other content in the game. You only need to go back to it to get your weekly drop. This is the single biggest thing that makes q'ing for things like A12s an impossible waste of time. The only people even capable of q'ing for A12s are people who have already cleared A9s, A10s and A11s that week. Almost nobody falls into that category who isn't already in a static and in no need of raid finder.

2. Anyone who has cleared for the week is only punishing anyone else they try to help due to the reduced loot drop for them being there. Get rid of this BS. This is the second biggest reason no one is in the queue and no one wants to help others.

3. Anyone who clears is locked out of loot no matter what they got or didn't get. Get rid of this BS. Savage should work the same as all other weekly lockouts. You are free to keep doing the content until you actually get something.

As long as these three unnecessarily harsh restrictions are in place (restrictions that do not exist in any other content in the game), raiding will remain a pointlessly gated, extremely inaccessible area of the game that only people with very specific pre-made groups can actually do reasonably. I got lucky, most people do not. Raid Finder past A9s doesn't work. At all.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

I raid because I like to challenge myself. I like to push myself past my known limits and see where I can get to. At the same time, I don't like to grind my face against cement, and the more difficult tiers of alex, I didn't bother with as it was more of an impossibility in my eyes, and I don't consider myself a bad player. What I would like to see is, fair and challenging, fair being the keyword here, for future endgame content. I want to feel like I have a chance and make headway when I raid for a few hours a night.

[XxClavainxX]

This is a great question! I do not raid and here is my 2 cents on why:

1. The raiding community in this game seems to only want people who already know the fight. The vast majority of party finder groups I see simply do not want people who do not already have experience in the raid. This creates a scenario where you have a limited number of people who have experience and a large group who do not and have limited ways to aquire it.

2. The raiding community in this game can often come across as stand off-ish or elitist (either rightly or wrongly). This causes players like myself to not be all that interested in being a part of that. I work, have 3 kids and so play this game for fun, not as a way of life. It stops being fun when it becomes about finger pointing and placing blame when things don't go well.

[XxClavainxX]

This is a great question! I do not raid and here is my 2 cents on why:

1. The raiding community in this game seems to only want people who already know the fight. The vast majority of party finder groups I see simply do not want people who do not already have experience in the raid. This creates a scenario where you have a limited number of people who have experience and a large group who do not and have limited ways to aquire it.

2. The raiding community in this game can often come across as stand off-ish or elitist (either rightly or wrongly). This causes players like myself to not be all that interested in being a part of that. I work, have 3 kids and so play this game for fun, not as a way of life. It stops being fun when it becomes about finger pointing and placing blame when things don't go well.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

The raiding community in this game seems to only want people who already know the fight. The vast majority of party finder groups I see simply do not want people who do not already have experience in the raid. This creates a scenario where you have a limited number of people who have experience and a large group who do not and have limited ways to aquire it.

I hate to be that person, but its not anybody's fault except your own if you can't get into raiding due to experience. There are many ways to help with learning, and you have to put in a little backbone and legwork to get started. Raid finder exsists and I see lots of good results from it on the forums, I would suggest giving it a try if you want to actually get involved in raiding..

2. The raiding community in this game can often come across as stand off-ish or elitist (either rightly or wrongly). This causes players like myself to not be all that interested in being a part of that. I work, have 3 kids and so play this game for fun, not as a way of life. It stops being fun when it becomes about finger pointing and placing blame when things don't go well.

You can play the game how you want, but when you're playing the cutting edge content, everyone needs to be playing their best. If you can't accept simple criticism when mistakes are made, or you are under preforming, your group will never get anywhere. Raiding can be fun, but winning is fun too, and all it takes is one person to under preform and the whole things falls apart. You have to be able to point fingers when things are wrong and fix the problem. I can understand that you might not like it, but its just a fact of life. If you do your real-life job shitty, you will get pointed out.. simple as that..

[FunkYeahDragons]

In terms of learning fights, I suggest sitting in PF with a couple friends during peak hours even if it takes most of the time to fill. I've seen at least half a dozen the past week for A9s/A10s and helped a few of them get a clear.

[rjspencer4]

Needing a static and having to adhere to a raiding schedule turns me off, haven't attempted a single savage floor and have no intention of doing so in the future.

[Werhusky]

When I started this game as very first MMO I didn't know what exactly to expect. My first few month I was leveling different classes, doing dungeons. I was in a social FC and people tried raids and they were lacking a tank so I (fearfully) agreed to jump in. I was neither a good tank nor did I know at all what to expect.
We got a weekly kill and so we did raid for 3 weeks to notice I lacked accuracy. To get the accuracy it was for me the simplest solution to replace my weapon and for that I needed to beat ex primals. So for the upcoming 2 weeks I jumped on every trainings and/or clear PF I could make up until I cleared and had my weapon.
So my motivation to raid? Progress, the feel to have achieved something before it got nerfed (do you know the true beauty of T7, A3S?), passing time with friends or people that gather together via PF and have the same goal and after all gear is also a factor even though only a small one for me.

[XxClavainxX]

I hate to be that person, but its not anybody\\\\'s fault except your own if you can\\\\'t get into raiding due to experience. There are many ways to help with learning, and you have to put in a little backbone and legwork to get started. Raid finder exsists and I see lots of good results from it on the forums, I would suggest giving it a try if you want to actually get involved in raiding..

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You are correct, people should be able to accept criticism. I welcome it. If I can improve, please let me know how. I think you are being nieve if you think that\\\\'s how it is presented a lot of times. It\\\\'s the flat out rudeness and ***** attitudes from the community that are the issue. If I talked to other adults at work the way I see people talking to each other on this game when things go south, I would be out of a job in short order. Because you can hide behind a keyboard, it does not give you a right to be an ***.

[MicahZerrshia]

Because you can hide behind a keyboard, it does not give you a right to be an ***.

This is true, when raiding you need to maintain a certain decorum in dealing with other players. And some people have no sense of that decorum.

I like to think that I am fairly patient in raid groups when I join them. Others see me as elitist and snobby, but this is generally from the people who not only underperform but also do not learn and chronically wipe us to the same mechanics for hours at a time. Or do not take time begin and ends times seriously. If we start at 7 I will give you until 7:10 then rep you unless you give me notice of lateness. Not me being an elitist, that is on you. You can be as nice as pie but when you are eating dirt for a couple hours and the person wiping you is laughing and shrugging because it's "just a game" and I only do this for entertainment" it gets super annoying and sometimes you just have to be a jerk to get them to straighten up or just leave.

I was the same when I was in retail management, I would work with you and train you to my best, but if it's not your priority, you just refuse to learn or you just do not take things seriously I am going to be the worst boss you ever had. The only difference is in this game I have no HR to worry about so language can be, we shall say, more colorful if needed.

So the not being an *** has to come from both sides, not just the so-called elitists. If raiding is not for you due to w/e and you are not going to take it seriously you need to remember that not everyone is so aloof when it comes to endgame. And since this is a constant struggle for raiders our patience can be worn a bit thin sometimes