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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    To add to your argument, they actively took away the gating from extreme primals and raiding, and stated that gating content was bad for accessibility.
    And this is still something completly different than PotD. If they would make it free for random que's they would have to set fix roles (tank, healer and dps) otherwise it would not be possible to progress on the higher floors because the mobs will just rek you. That would end up in longer que times for the people, the complains about that and of course the complains about trolling players who wipe you on the higher floors which would end up in complete waste of time since you have to start from 1 again.

    You need to stop comparing this to the PotD floors 101+.
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    Last edited by Ilan; 12-09-2016 at 10:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    If they would make it free for random que's they would have to set fix roles (tank, healer and dps) otherwise it would not be possible to progress on the higher floors because the mobs will just rek you.
    I actually never personally asked for floors 101+ to be matched. I asked for the ability to convert a matched floor 100 save to be able to do floors 101+ with a fixed party. I know that the content is too hard to do with a matched party. This allows a group to meet the preliminary requirements individually, meaning that when they actually meet up they can dive straight into the content rather than spending 4 hours (more than one play session) even getting to the content that they want to do. I disagree with the OP but I am aware that the current system is not good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I actually never personally asked for floors 101+ to be matched. I asked for the ability to convert a matched floor 100 save to be able to do floors 101+ with a fixed party. I know that the content is too hard to do with a matched party. This allows a group to meet the preliminary requirements individually, meaning that when they actually meet up they can dive straight into the content rather than spending 4 hours (more than one play session) even getting to the content that they want to do. I disagree with the OP but I am aware that the current system is not good enough.
    Well yes it is a bit annoying and i don't see the reason for that either but what most people in this thread demand won't work out at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I asked for the ability to convert a matched floor 100 save to be able to do floors 101+ with a fixed party...This allows a group to meet the preliminary requirements individually, meaning that when they actually meet up they can dive straight into the content rather than spending 4 hours (more than one play session) even getting to the content that they want to do.
    If it takes 4 hours to do 51-100 then something is very wrong. That's an average of 48 minutes per 10 floors, and my matched runs are rarely over 30 minutes per ten floors if everyone has over 60/60. Or did you mean 1-100? If so then why not just start at 51? You don't need the first 50 floors to get a good stash of Pomanders for 101+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    If it takes 4 hours to do 51-100 then something is very wrong. That's an average of 48 minutes per 10 floors, and my matched runs are rarely over 30 minutes per ten floors if everyone has over 60/60. Or did you mean 1-100? If so then why not just start at 51? You don't need the first 50 floors to get a good stash of Pomanders for 101+.
    Sorry 2 1/2 - 3 hours, i.e. still one play session before you can even get into the content that you want to do.
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    The funny part of this is that there REALLY is NO reason to have it gated. You can choose what you want to do if you want to go it with fixed party that is YOUR choice. Don't try to dictate what I am doing based on what you want to do. No one is asking you to join a mixed party if YOU do not want to. You queue as you see fit. What is the big deal? I pay $$ and I want to have a choice that's called freedom of decision. Is there an amendment for that? How about “Freedom of Choice” is a fundamental right, grouped with a “Right to Privacy”. The Ninth Amendment alludes to it and the Fourteenth Amendment enforces it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renius View Post
    I pay $$ and I want to have a choice that's called freedom of decision. Is there an amendment for that? How about “Freedom of Choice” is a fundamental right, grouped with a “Right to Privacy”. The Ninth Amendment alludes to it and the Fourteenth Amendment enforces it.
    You're not seriously making your american laws arguments in this discussion, do you? They dont apply here, Freedom of Choice lies within SE/the devs and not you and how you want to play their game.
    I explained already how it DOES influence the content wether its gated or not - and actually you're already able to do this content even if you dont have any friends who want to run it with you: Go in alone, thats an option.

    I would prefer challenging content once in a while and if they open it up for DF, chances are, people expecting faceroll clears in there, getting upset when they dont get them and demand that the content gets nerfed. Why are you guys so upset about not being able to stick to your lonely wolf attitude AND seeing a minor part of the game? Is getting 1-3 more people to do stuff with you really that impossible for you?

    The devs obviously saw a reason to have it gated - and its really their "Freedom of choice" that conuts here, not yours. You purchased their product but what that product exactly is is still up to them. Your Freedom of choice here is wether you want to pay for it or not - you're granted access to the game, nut guranteed access to every type of content...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    I would prefer challenging content once in a while and if they open it up for DF, chances are, people expecting faceroll clears in there, getting upset when they dont get them and demand that the content gets nerfed. Why are you guys so upset about not being able to stick to your lonely wolf attitude AND seeing a minor part of the game? Is getting 1-3 more people to do stuff with you really that impossible for you?
    Please explain how making it open changes the "challenging content"? Why are you so upset if I and others can get into it with a mixed party if you still can do whatever you choose? Go in it with a premade, that is an option and it has always been available for the socialites like you. We lone wolves have other preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renius View Post
    The funny part of this is that there REALLY is NO reason to have it gated. You can choose what you want to do if you want to go it with fixed party that is YOUR choice. Don't try to dictate what I am doing based on what you want to do. No one is asking you to join a mixed party if YOU do not want to. You queue as you see fit. What is the big deal? I pay $$ and I want to have a choice that's called freedom of decision. Is there an amendment for that? How about “Freedom of Choice” is a fundamental right, grouped with a “Right to Privacy”. The Ninth Amendment alludes to it and the Fourteenth Amendment enforces it.
    Ehm yeah. I want to see your cry for law if a party without a fitting composition will wipe you or if a troll will wipe you on 150+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    Ehm yeah. I want to see your cry for law if a party without a fitting composition will wipe you or if a troll will wipe you on 150+.
    Once more! No one is asking YOU to go in with mixed. What is it that you don't understand. I will be happy with the wipe as it is part of what happens with pugs I am willing to take the chance. YOU don't have to if that is YOUR CHOICE!!
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