Getting WHM on Par

[Leigaon]

Honestly, I think a better solution would be to make fights require consistent healing....

That to a deeper extent, would be ideal for everyone. I forget that most of these complaints are from a raiding standpoint. I still freak out sometimes being in damage dealing stance thinking "I've been in here for a while..how is it someone isn't dead?" then a DRG dies so I feel better. ^_^

Like some have said, I would like a few things to just be adjusted for WHM. The DoT spell duration increase, consolidate stone spells, have bene be instant.

On the other hand I think Assize has a good step in the right direction, being able to heal / damage deal and give back MP. Depending on your stance will determine which has a bit more potency to it. I wouldn't mind a MP reduction on just stoneskin..I know I shouldn't but I like to use it when I can on black mages. That's more a personal thing.

Trying to think, what would be some solid cases of being identified as a white mage do you all think?

Maybe something like Bar-Magi that's a potent magic reduction but on a cooldown. Or En-light that is party wide, acc boost / elemental damage to attacks..or maybe they'll have us deal more with debuffs in 4.0 and the rebuild. In which case I'm happy to throw down a Slowga.

[Naria]

Remember that Stoneskin was 18%. But that was taken away from Whm so everyone who could cross-class could have a flat 10%.

Also, remember that Proshell was taken away from Whm and given to all that could cross-class Protect.

Remember that Holy has been nerfed twice.

I 'member.

SE kind of owes Whm at this point. It is it's iconic healer.

Considering the changes coming to the cross class system in Stormblood I'm willing to bet that Stoneskin, Protect and possibly Aero and Raise (and Resurrection/Ascend) are going to cease to be cnj skills and become general healer skills. Which if that is so, means in addition to whatever new skills and traits whm gets they are also going to get several new lower-level ones. Can whm have Sublimation back pls?

I'm still annoyed by the last holy nerf myself.

[Ghishlain]

Can whm have Sublimation back pls?

Except Sublimation was a SCH ability in XI ^^;........ I don't think SCH needs even MORE MP regeneration xD

With that being said, I do agree that I'm also hoping that the more mandatory cross classes will be put into said role pool and give WHMs a few more tools to play with afterwards.

[Naria]

Except Sublimation was a SCH ability in XI ^^;........ I don't think SCH needs even MORE MP regeneration xD

With that being said, I do agree that I'm also hoping that the more mandatory cross classes will be put into said role pool and give WHMs a few more tools to play with afterwards.

True, but it was a whm one in 1.2X. It also was a bit different than in XI, it did not consume HP just built a stored pool of MP equal to a percentage of your HP. Really I'd just like whm to get something to set is apart from the other healers besides its current gimmick of spell potency vs mana cost. Actually giving them a full range of enfeebles that work on bosses for mitigation could be another route although I have no idea how that would work out balance-wise.

[Ghishlain]

True, but it was a whm one in 1.2X. It also was a bit different than in XI, it did not consume HP just built a stored pool of MP equal to a percentage of your HP. Really I'd just like whm to get something to set is apart from the other healers besides its current gimmick of spell potency vs mana cost. Actually giving them a full range of enfeebles that work on bosses for mitigation could be another route although I have no idea how that would work out balance-wise.

Well, that's fascinating @_@ Can't find anything about that when Googling for Sublimation with the FFXIV tag so maybe it was called something else?

It would be neat if they took Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Misery from XI and gave it to the current WHM. For Afflatus Solace there would definitely need to be some modifications because Cureskin would be ridiculously broken if you consider the values and the way XIV is - I would be thinking more of the more you heal, the more your next Holy would damage for. It would probably be something different than Holy though since it's an AoE in this game. Could just be the next damage spell cast gets a damage bonus based on healing done.

Misery could just make the WHM sac some HP to get a potency bonus on their damage spells.

... man everything I think up for WHM eventually revolves around "MORE DEEEEEEEPS" >>; *Goes back to the drawing board*

[Deathgiver]

It was called blissful mind in 1.2x.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I blame Cleric Stance. It's one hell of an addictive drug.

[FabricioRF]

I blame Cleric Stance. It's one hell of an addictive drug.

gr8 b8 m8.

[Naria]

Well, that's fascinating @_@ Can't find anything about that when Googling for Sublimation with the FFXIV tag so maybe it was called something else?

It would be neat if they took Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Misery from XI and gave it to the current WHM. For Afflatus Solace there would definitely need to be some modifications because Cureskin would be ridiculously broken if you consider the values and the way XIV is - I would be thinking more of the more you heal, the more your next Holy would damage for. It would probably be something different than Holy though since it's an AoE in this game. Could just be the next damage spell cast gets a damage bonus based on healing done.

Misery could just make the WHM sac some HP to get a potency bonus on their damage spells.

... man everything I think up for WHM eventually revolves around "MORE DEEEEEEEPS" >>; *Goes back to the drawing board*

Yeah looking back over it I'd misremembered a bit, it was "Blissful Mind" and it worked exactly like XI's Sublimation. Giving whm more MP recovery would be a quick fix for the job, although I would love something like Solace/Misery or enfeebling magic instead to give a different dynamic. In FFXIV for me whm kinda peeked in 1.2X, and has been getting progressively more dull since 2.0. The new 3.0 actions were a step in the right direction but playing whm atm is still less fun for me than SCH or AST. Which is sad because I have a lot of love for White Mage in Final Fantasy as a whole, and I really want to enjoy it in XIV.

[Xenosan]

Assuming that with the change from Cross-Class Skills to Role Skills, Conjurer's Cleric Stance and Protect will get replaced with abilities that may add milage depending on what they are relative to SCH/AST's new moves, and there's the pseudo-buff in that E4E/Virus and the other cross-classes will essentially be traited (because those are moving from THM/ACN to role-specific as well). Assuming.

I do think the proc system of WHM could be expanded to instant/free-cast Stoneskin spells and Cleric-cheating instant/free DPS spells. Especially Stoneskin because I expect that is staying as a CNJ skill, it's not moving nor is there an equivelant going to be placed in the Role pool. SCH/AST will lose SS as a result (PVP?)

The duality of Assize is another direction, but I think it's too late to shift WHM in that direction. Precursor to the next healer class I hope.