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    Ralts's Avatar
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    Tietra Elm
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    Getting WHM on Par

    WHM are in a good position, but an AST, for example, who solo heals, can still help with the dmg, by giving out group-wide dmg buffs. So why not let WHM\\'s Stoneskin II to be usable in combat and reduce it\\'s CD to 4. That mitigation can help them dish in some dmg around some points of the fight.
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    Tyurru Irisfield
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    So a better version of Adloquium that's also an aoe? No thanks I prefer my sch's to be useful.
    Just give whm a boost to healing potency, big heals are kind of their gimmick or lack thereof.
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    Last edited by Medicine; 11-30-2016 at 07:59 PM.

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    Malina Loma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medicine View Post
    So a better version of Adloquium that's also an aoe? No thanks I prefer my sch's to be useful.
    Just give whm a boost to healing potency, big heals are kind of their gimmick or lack thereof.
    A Stoneskin only gives a 10% shield. So a BRD with 20,000HP can only get a shield worth 2,000HP unlike a succor which is stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    Snip.
    I did forget that it only went up to 10% of total health but I still don't want whm stepping into sch territory. I do feel that whm does need something but preferably an overhaul or a revamp not a tweaked Stone Skin, ever notice how whm is the only class in the game that doesn't have it's own unique mechanic? SE needs to show whm proper love.
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    Sianne Rose
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    Paladin Lv 31
    Quote Originally Posted by Medicine View Post
    So a better version of Adloquium that's also an aoe? No thanks I prefer my sch's to be useful.
    Just give whm a boost to healing potency, big heals are kind of their gimmick or lack thereof.
    Remember that Stoneskin was 18%. But that was taken away from Whm so everyone who could cross-class could have a flat 10%.

    Also, remember that Proshell was taken away from Whm and given to all that could cross-class Protect.

    Remember that Holy has been nerfed twice.

    I 'member.

    SE kind of owes Whm at this point. It is it's iconic healer.
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    Naria Starcatcher
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyna View Post
    Remember that Stoneskin was 18%. But that was taken away from Whm so everyone who could cross-class could have a flat 10%.

    Also, remember that Proshell was taken away from Whm and given to all that could cross-class Protect.

    Remember that Holy has been nerfed twice.

    I 'member.

    SE kind of owes Whm at this point. It is it's iconic healer.
    Considering the changes coming to the cross class system in Stormblood I'm willing to bet that Stoneskin, Protect and possibly Aero and Raise (and Resurrection/Ascend) are going to cease to be cnj skills and become general healer skills. Which if that is so, means in addition to whatever new skills and traits whm gets they are also going to get several new lower-level ones. Can whm have Sublimation back pls?

    I'm still annoyed by the last holy nerf myself.
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    Last edited by Naria; 12-03-2016 at 05:12 AM.

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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naria View Post
    Can whm have Sublimation back pls?
    Except Sublimation was a SCH ability in XI ^^;........ I don't think SCH needs even MORE MP regeneration xD

    With that being said, I do agree that I'm also hoping that the more mandatory cross classes will be put into said role pool and give WHMs a few more tools to play with afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Except Sublimation was a SCH ability in XI ^^;........ I don't think SCH needs even MORE MP regeneration xD

    With that being said, I do agree that I'm also hoping that the more mandatory cross classes will be put into said role pool and give WHMs a few more tools to play with afterwards.
    True, but it was a whm one in 1.2X. It also was a bit different than in XI, it did not consume HP just built a stored pool of MP equal to a percentage of your HP. Really I'd just like whm to get something to set is apart from the other healers besides its current gimmick of spell potency vs mana cost. Actually giving them a full range of enfeebles that work on bosses for mitigation could be another route although I have no idea how that would work out balance-wise.
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    Last edited by Naria; 12-03-2016 at 05:29 AM. Reason: clarification

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    Yumiya Nagatsuki
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    People are forgetting that there'll be a whole battle system revamp, plus 10 more levels worth of skills in a few months. Do you really think they'll make big adjustments now instead of working on the expansion and attempting to fix any major issues there? The current situation is not game breaking.
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    Aethys Aeon
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    I wasn't aware the only reason SCH was useful was because of adlo and succor alone.

    I wasn't aware stoneskin 2 was such a threat to the SCH throne.

    I wasn't aware stoneskin 2 was the only thing separating WHM from SCH.

    I also don't remember PLD having any "unique" mechanics either
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