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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    That's just the thing, Cure III, while it may look pretty, is not necessary.
    Let's use your example on ultimates. What's the difference between preshielding and using a Helios/emergency succor and using a cure III to get everyone up? They both amount to the same thing, with the same effort being put into them.

    I can see if right after the ultimate happened another huge aoe hit that required everyone to be topped up in literally seconds. But that's not the case.

    Now let's look at the case of AST and SCH effects on ultimates. With luck, a SCH can prevent dmg from the ultimate completely. For AST, collective unconscious puts up a potent shield and regen that makes casting Helios unnecessary.
    In the case of WHM, I had people flat out die to an ultimate because we had no mitigation for them. It's really sad, I see some WHM throwing down asylum just to pretend they're actually making a difference during Ultimates...
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    Sylkis's Avatar
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    Sylkis Tea
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    Sophia
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    Scholar Lv 100
    WHM isn't bad right now like how AST used to be bad. It's fine



    As for a reraise spell, how about an instant cast, long cooldown reraise that lasts 1 min? If you can see someone dying within 1 minute. I think it would be neat
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Objection! DPS skills are no more essential to the primary role of a healer than Rend Mind, Mantra, or Fist's of Earth are to the integral role of machinist or monk, which are in fact defensive support intended to assist healers or tanks. Where dps is integral to the role of all tanks and all dps, naturally, it's not a requirement or an expectation of healers enforced by the devs, which tank and off tank dps are.
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    Last edited by Thunda_Cat_SMASH; 12-01-2016 at 06:21 PM.

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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Balmung
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    Ninja Lv 90
    What I want the most for my WHM is... some better looking gears to wear.

    and for other mage jobs too. stop dressing us up from head to toes. it's 2016.
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    Tietra Elm
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    I guess you had bad healers.
    Sorry, but read. It's for solo healers in high-level content, for them to be more at ease, like AST, to be helping their group in dealing dmg. That reply makes no sense.
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    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralts View Post
    Sorry, but read. It's for solo healers in high-level content, for them to be more at ease, like AST, to be helping their group in dealing dmg. That reply makes no sense.
    I posted that reply to the person trying to be funny by wanting healers stripped of their DPs spells
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    Krystalan Deathgiver
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 80
    It was called blissful mind in 1.2x.
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Marauder Lv 79
    I blame Cleric Stance. It's one hell of an addictive drug.
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    Theodric Bloodfury
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    I blame Cleric Stance. It's one hell of an addictive drug.
    gr8 b8 m8.
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Assuming that with the change from Cross-Class Skills to Role Skills, Conjurer's Cleric Stance and Protect will get replaced with abilities that may add milage depending on what they are relative to SCH/AST's new moves, and there's the pseudo-buff in that E4E/Virus and the other cross-classes will essentially be traited (because those are moving from THM/ACN to role-specific as well). Assuming.

    I do think the proc system of WHM could be expanded to instant/free-cast Stoneskin spells and Cleric-cheating instant/free DPS spells. Especially Stoneskin because I expect that is staying as a CNJ skill, it's not moving nor is there an equivelant going to be placed in the Role pool. SCH/AST will lose SS as a result (PVP?)

    The duality of Assize is another direction, but I think it's too late to shift WHM in that direction. Precursor to the next healer class I hope.
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    Last edited by Xenosan; 12-03-2016 at 07:49 AM.

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