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    Brightshadow's Avatar
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    Lumen Stargazer
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    Diabolos
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    People will cheese mechanics this way regardless and it'll create a divide where whms will be favored in raids more
    Doubt it, in theory if the WHM was to survive a death mechanic and the MT survived as well the WHM wouldn't have the mana to raise everyone nor heal at the same time. This would only help if the boss was at 1% and somehow the MT survived. If all the tanks are down and your the only one that reraise most likely the trial would reset but let's say it doesn't the boss would hunt you down and you wouldn't have the mana to raise the tank, and even if you do raise the tank you'll most likely be dead by now and the tank would be at low HP leaving him for dead.

    SCH DPS would still be favored over Reraise, and AST Cards would still be favored over Reraise. the only thing it would do is give them something a little niche that still wouldn't push them beyond SCH/AST.
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    Last edited by Brightshadow; 12-01-2016 at 12:32 AM.

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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    People will cheese mechanics this way regardless and it'll create a divide where whms will be favored in raids more
    It really wouldn't, it would just be a strong tool they have.

    SCH can mitigate over 20k damage with a crit Adlo
    AST can put up a 10% damage buff on all players for up to 40 seconds, and can extend regens as well.

    Both of these jobs have tools that make you feel absolutely powerful and borderline broken.

    WHM has nothing close to that. Cure III is ridiculously overvalued. WHM needs a tool that makes people go "wow, that was amazing" like SCH and AST has.
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Cure 3 is pretty much worthless unless you play with a static and everybody stands exactly on top of each other. I've never had it hit more than like 2 people. I'm lucky if some of these DF bards are in range of medica 2.
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Personally, I'd like to see the duration of Aero 1 and 2 increased drastically. (with a small nerf to its potency per tick) to semi compete with SCHs able to stay in Cleric stance longer.
    I wouldnt want them dethroned, so im not sure whats a good number.

    But other than that, I find WHM pretty good, and wouldnt exclude one from my raid group.
    (on a side note, I do like the sound of a self cast only reraise. Though some changes id make to it, long cast time, recast of at LEAST 10mins, if not 15mins, and a duration of only 5-10mins so you have to go w/o it for a short bit)
    AST and SCH still offer more in comparison, but at least RR would be friendly to less skilled players, still learning harder content, and save ur SMN a swift cast rez.
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    Last edited by Claire_Pendragon; 12-01-2016 at 01:58 AM.
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    Kamui_Argent's Avatar
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    Kamui Custom
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    Tonberry
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    Personally, I'd like to see the duration of Aero 1 and 2 increased drastically. (with a small nerf to its potency per tick) to semi compete with SCHs able to stay in Cleric stance longer.
    I wouldnt want them dethroned, so im not sure whats a good number.

    But other than that, I find WHM pretty good, and wouldnt exclude one from my raid group.
    (on a side note, I do like the sound of a self cast only reraise. Though some changes id make to it, long cast time, recast of at LEAST 10mins, if not 15mins, and a duration of only 5-10mins so you have to go w/o it for a short bit)
    AST and SCH still offer more in comparison, but at least RR would be friendly to less skilled players, still learning harder content, and save ur SMN a swift cast rez.
    The benefit of Aero 2 is that it does a ton of damage in such a short period of time. It does 250 (50 initial + 200 DOT) damage in only 12 seconds.
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    Antanis Reim
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 60
    I've been reading these posts about whms and I just don't get it, so I' m gonna just ask:
    What exactly is wrong with the white mage?
    because it's my main and most prefered job and I don't find anything wrong with it
    some people saying it needs a revamp, others that lack an 'Identity'... can you be more specific? I agree that Stoneskin II is useles but i don't agree that Cure III is just for statics. Have you ever used Divine Seal + Cure III + Assize on a full party after an ultimate during a savage raid? an entire party toped in 2 seconds. That's heal power, and in my opinion that's what the whm is all about, that's its Identity: heal power, burst damage and mp control.
    I think the dps is the best in dungeons but useless in savage bosses and I think it's ment that way so it can always have the rol of main healer.
    That's my opinion
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    Krystalan Deathgiver
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSeraph View Post
    That's heal power, and in my opinion that's what the whm is all about, that's its Identity: heal power, burst damage and mp control.
    The problem is that whm burst healing is unnecessary. An AST or SCH both have enough tools to cover the burst heal requirements, while a whm has none of the tools for mitigation or large scale raid dps increases.

    edit: As far as dps goes, whm hits 2 significant barriers when in prolonged fights. 1 they need to stat accuracy as every single dps skill they have can miss, and 2 they need to slot piety as they have the worst mp recovery of all 3 healers. This means that their healing toolkit is further nerfed by the reliance on stats that don't increase healing throughput at all.
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    Last edited by Deathgiver; 12-01-2016 at 07:29 AM.

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    Xoria Tepes
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    WHM is fine, IMO. It's a no-nonsense healer that is very straightforward with no "gimmicks."

    Back in 2.0, the only thing I kept saying is all WHM needs is one other way to get MP back. Lo and Behold, we got Assize (10% MP back) and to be honest, that's all it really "needed." If they wanted to give WHM something, I'd request make Regen's HoT longer and slightly more potent (even though it's already pretty strong for a HoT). That'll make it even more distinct than AST's diurnal aspected benefic and allow them ample time to DPS, much like a SCH's fairy allows them. However, the HoT will need refreshing, unlike a fairy, so it still won't "threaten" the SCH's throne, so to speak.

    If you go off DPS checks on SSS, of the three healers, WHM is actually expected to pull the highest numbers and SCH is expected to pull the lowest. SCH has just always been the preferred DPS healer because of said fairy and guaranteed DoTs back before ACC capping was as popular, or expected, in raiding content as well as having an easier time managing their MP. Nowadays, it's not unheard of for a WHM to do the same, but again, most groups will always cater to the SCH DPSing before a WHM.
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    Last edited by JunseiKei; 12-01-2016 at 08:18 AM. Reason: I can't grammar. >_<
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    Rai Dolabnha
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    Faerie
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    Lancer Lv 90
    With AST's buffs, WHM needs some better MP regen. AST easily surpasses WHM in that regard even though WHM is the DPS healer now (ignoring SCH).
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    Iroira Sinzha
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    Coeurl
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    Dancer Lv 90
    All I want is for Benediction to lose it's animation delay and be an actual instant cast, like the description box says. |:
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