Request: Ability to re-assign class levels after 1.20

[Issac]

I don't understand how people can be serious when requesting something like this.

It's a joke, right? For the sake of my sanity, please tell me it's a joke.

(Give them an inch, they take a mile...)

[normalforce]

I don't understand how people can be serious when requesting something like this.

It's a joke, right? For the sake of my sanity, please tell me it's a joke.

(Give them an inch, they take a mile...)

*pats Issac comfortingly* Don't worry, it's only a joke.

[Alerith]

CNJ Mag. 1 Restores a portion of the target's HP.
CNJ Mag. 2 O Restores a large portion of the target's HP.


The first is most likely Cure and is a cross class ability. This means you can still put it on your THM and cure.

The second ability sounds like Cura and is NOT cross class.

This is a prime example of how the armory system is supposed to work. You find your THM doesn't have healing capability? Take Cure from Conjurer. But just so that we maintain Conjurer's unique roll as THE healer, we'll give them Cura. THM and CNJ now have defined rolls to follow and can still pull from other classes enough to maintain flexibility.

Not trying to be mean or rude, but I see no good reason you should get to transfer your levels.

Edit: Also, THM was never "the" healing class. If it was "your" healing class, cool, more power to you. You can still slap a cure on it and heal away.

But it really sounds like you're asking to have your levels changed over because you feel you level'd the wrong job.

[Spider-Dan]

The first is most likely Cure and is a cross class ability. This means you can still put it on your THM and cure.

In the same sense and to the extent that I could also equip it on my ARC, sure.

This is a prime example of how the armory system is supposed to work. You find your THM doesn't have healing capability? Take Cure from Conjurer.

...except that THM has native healing ability now, and has since the game was released. That native healing ability is scheduled to be removed.

Edit: Also, THM was never "the" healing class.

Prior to 1.18, there was no one "healing class"; both CNJ and THM were originally designed to capably main heal. Given that THM has been the superior healer for the majority of this game's existence, I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected native healing ability from it.

This update is essentially equivalent to removing cure spells from RDM.

[Rentahamster]

Given that THM has been the superior healer for the majority of this game's existence, I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected native healing ability from it.

Given that the devs are remaking the core class balance from the ground up in accordance with the vast majority of players voting in favor of drastic changes to the rules of Eorzea, I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected players to see this coming and accept it.

[Alerith]

In the same sense and to the extent that I could also equip it on my ARC, sure.

Exactly. Archer isn't a healing class. Neither will Thaumaturge. Why should you have a native healing spell if your class isn't meant to be a healer?

...except that THM has native healing ability now, and has since the game was released. That native healing ability is scheduled to be removed.

A lot of jobs are losing a lot of skills. Should a CNJ rage that they are losing shield skills and demand that they have native shield skills despite that not being the focus of their job?

Prior to 1.18, there was no one "healing class"; both CNJ and THM were originally designed to capably main heal. Given that THM has been the superior healer for the majority of this game's existence, I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected native healing ability from it.

This update is essentially equivalent to removing cure spells from RDM.

We are no longer "Prior to Patch 1.18". The days of AoE Sacrifice II are long gone and that's not at all heartbreaking. The game is balancing out. And is CNJ not more superior because it's casting arc was Radial and not Cone? Especially considering buffs and the nature of parties these days.

Also, it's not like removing cure spells from a RDM. A RDM isn't a designated nuking class. THM is. RDM is a fusion of cures and nukes. Such a class will not exist at the time of 1.20, unless you intend to give your THM said cross class skills.

[Rentahamster]

A lot of jobs are losing a lot of skills. Should a CNJ rage that they are losing shield skills and demand that they have native shield skills despite that not being the focus of their job?

Well, Neptune did, and we all know how his thread turned out.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...28long-read%29

And is CNJ not more superior because it's casting arc was Radial and not Cone? Especially considering buffs and the nature of parties these days.

Actually, before patch 1.18, THM was unquestionably the superior healer since its AOE is so much larger and has a further range than CNJ. All you had to do was face in the direction you wanted to heal and you'd hit everyone. Not to mention it had the best defense and offense in the game. Ah, I miss the days of stupidly overpowered THM. Luckily, I farmed all those Dodore wings while the getting was good.

[Spider-Dan]

Exactly. Archer isn't a healing class. Neither will Thaumaturge. Why should you have a native healing spell if your class isn't meant to be a healer?

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A lot of jobs are losing a lot of skills. Should a CNJ rage that they are losing shield skills and demand that they have native shield skills despite that not being the focus of their job?

You misunderstand the point.

I understand that THM is no longer going to be a healer in the new paradigm.
I'm not asking for THM to continue to have healing abilities.
I'm saying that I've already leveled a healing job to 50, so I'd like the option to continue to have a level 50 healing job after the next update.

[Alerith]

You misunderstand the point.

I understand that THM is no longer going to be a healer in the new paradigm.
I'm not asking for THM to continue to have healing abilities.
I'm saying that I've already leveled a healing job to 50, so I'd like the option to continue to have a level 50 healing job after the next update.

Oh, well, the answer is simple then. Level CNJ before the update.

No...seriously. I don't see why you should be entitled to a level shift. You're rewording "I level'd the wrong job! Transfer my levels please."

If tomorrow they said that Gladiator would be given dual wield and turned into a DD job and many it's defensive abilities were going to be given to Marauder, would I be upset? Sure. Am I going to demand my 50 Gladiator levels be transfered over to make my Marauder level 50 because I wanted a tank job? Absolutely not. What I'm going to do is level my Marauder to 50.

I mean, seriously. If they transfered your levels from THM to CNJ, what are you going to do? Level the same job to 50 again in the future?

Why not just accept the change as is and level the new version of CNJ, the ACTUAL healing job, to 50?

Actually, I was thinking that I should have leveled the class with elemental nukes if I wanted to be a nuker.

But we see how that turned out.

Because healing classes have NEVER had elemental damage spells in any prior FF before, right?

[Aion]

You misunderstand the point.

I understand that THM is no longer going to be a healer in the new paradigm.
I'm not asking for THM to continue to have healing abilities.
I'm saying that I've already leveled a healing job to 50, so I'd like the option to continue to have a level 50 healing job after the next update.

what is healing job? Do we have one?