Request: Ability to re-assign class levels after 1.20

[indira]

you pwned your self, and your only leveling 1 class????????????

[Duuude007]

Based on the native MP management abilities THM is scheduled to receive, it is unlikely that THM will be able to support an MP pool as a cross-class healer.

If this is your only concern, I am at a loss. Too bad there is no such thing as:

THM having the largest MP pool among all the classes, boosted further when BLM.
Native mp regen
Ethers
THM Abl. 5 (aka the new spirit song)
BLM Abl. 1 (aka convert)
THM Mag. 2 (aka the new stygian spikes)

...but wait, all of these are true.

What do you have to complain about? You can continue to be a mediocre healer, but with a massive MP pool at your disposal.

Back to our summary statement: Quit trying to fix something that's not broken.

[Betelgeuzah]

If this is your only concern, I am at a loss. Too bad there is no such thing as:

THM having the largest MP pool among all the classes, boosted further when BLM.
Native mp regen
Ethers
THM Abl. 5 (aka the new spirit song)
BLM Abl. 1 (aka convert)
THM Mag. 2 (aka the new stygian spikes)

...but wait, all of these are true.

What do you have to complain about? You can continue to be a mediocre healer, but with a massive MP pool at your disposal.

You forgot to add CNJ's MP regeneration ability as the things that don't exist for THM to make use of!

If it's not THM native it doesn't count!

[Duuude007]

You forgot to add CNJ's MP regeneration ability as the things that don't exist for THM to make use of!

If it's not THM native it doesn't count!

You mean a THM cannot put their weapon away to regen MP? That they have to go to an aetherite to regen mp without abilities or items?

I don't think so.

When I say native, that is what I mean: the ability to regen just by doing nothing.

Since all mages can cast without pulling out their weapon, they all can take advantage of native mp regen, even in extended combat, such as Ifrit battles.

[Tsuga]

So then, when you saw CNJ's spell list of full elemental nuke lines (along with ancient magic nukes), you thought it was clear that CNJ absolutely would not be BLM?

It wasn't obvious either way. Both classes had aspects of different traditional FF jobs. CNJ could have been BLM just as easily as they were made WHM.

So out of all of my posts in response to the actual topic, you picked the most off-topic one to respond to? Man, just proving my point that you don't have a leg to stand on, here.

I'll indulge, though.

Yes, I looked at CNJ's spell list and saw that they appear to be a combo of white mage and black mage when classes were introduced (way back in 2009/early 2010). That is why I chose CNJ. I looked at THM and said "well, looks like a debuffer to me. Not interested".

Once JOBS were announced I thought they'd split CNJ into white mage and black mage, given that it has the spell pool from both 'jobs', so I figured that that would leave THM with red mage. I never once thought that THM would ever become white mage because it bears no resemblance to white mage, other than a shaky plot element about reviving the dead (which raise doesn't even do in the XIV universe, so the argument that that's related to white magic is moot. Especially because it's considered a dark art in the storyline (derp)), and one healing over time ability.

Now, with the class changes I will admit that I think it's stupid that THM becomes BLM. If anything it has more in common with RDM (but even then that's a stretch). I think the best move would have been to make CNJ split to BLM and WHM, but having two jobs per class is not within the dev teams resources if they want to release jobs in within their projected window, so I'm assuming that's why THM got stuck with BLM. I still don't see how anyone can make an argument for THM becoming WHM, especially with the class adjustments in 1.18, when CNJ essentially became the main healer with the new battle system (considering you ranked up to 50 since then, you had to have seen this coming).

Again, you aren't entitled to anything from SE. You made the illogical choice given all of the signs that were out there, and now you're butt-hurt about it. Sorry, but I don't think that's good enough for compensation, and I don't think that it's good enough to send SE down an inevitable slippery slope of wiping player's asses whenever they mess all over themselves.

[Spider-Dan]

You ranked up THM from the late 30's to 50 just last month according to your lodestone.

I'm quite aware of Lodestone history, and I never claimed that I was 50THM at 1.18's release. Even your own research verifies that I spent the overwhelming majority of my time leveling THM before then.

[Duuude007]

I'm quite aware of Lodestone history, and I never claimed that I was 50THM at 1.18's release. Even your own research verifies that I spent the overwhelming majority of my time leveling THM before then.

Does this mean you have conceded that THM is indeed capable of cross-class healing with a large mana pool and MP efficiency, or not? Can we finally let this topic die?

[Spider-Dan]

If this is your only concern, I am at a loss. Too bad there is no such thing as:

THM having the largest MP pool among all the classes, boosted further when BLM.
Native mp regen
Ethers
THM Abl. 5 (aka the new spirit song)
BLM Abl. 1 (aka convert)
THM Mag. 2 (aka the new stygian spikes)

In order:

- MP pool doesn't mean much when you have no effective way to refill it
- every class has native MP regen
- every class can use ethers (and that is no more a serious solution than potions)
- THM Abl. 5 is for attack magic only
- you have no way to know that BLM will even be able to equip cross-class abilities
- Stygian Spikes does nothing for MP regeneration if you aren't being hit

But I will say this: I didn't consider simply abandoning THM for BLM. If jobs are not class locked in the abilities they can use, that's a perfectly reasonable solution for my ends.

[Duuude007]

Challenge accepted.

- MP pool doesn't mean much when you have no effective way to refill it
- every class has native MP regen
- every class can use ethers

First, I love how point 2 and point 3 render point 1 moot. Today native regen is the single most commonly used MP regen tool used to survive Ifrit.

Second, of the two mp regen abilities which conjurers get:

* Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP.
* Gradually stores MP while reducing HP. Effect fades and stored MP is obtained upon reuse.

The first one is not class exclusive. The second one acts like a slow convert, so its another ability that, at least in spirit, both CNJ and THM can gain access to. Of course the BLM version is much faster.

As a side note, it is interesting to see that neither class gets a massive mp boost similar to Exaltation anymore. Perhaps they were expecting us to try and be a little more resourceful, going forward.

[Rentahamster]

I'm quite aware of Lodestone history, and I never claimed that I was 50THM at 1.18's release. Even your own research verifies that I spent the overwhelming majority of my time leveling THM before then.

The point is that even after the changes in 1.18 where it was obvious (as you admit) that CNJ got more white magey, and even after the changes in 1.19 where THM got even more black magey, you still went ahead and ranked up THM despite it being glaringly obvious what was gonna happen in 1.20.

This undermines your entire argument that you didn't know it was coming.

In order:

- MP pool doesn't mean much when you have no effective way to refill it

You regen MP the way we do it now: stand still.