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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    Based on the native MP management abilities THM is scheduled to receive, it is unlikely that THM will be able to support an MP pool as a cross-class healer.
    If this is your only concern, I am at a loss. Too bad there is no such thing as:

    THM having the largest MP pool among all the classes, boosted further when BLM.
    Native mp regen
    Ethers
    THM Abl. 5 (aka the new spirit song)
    BLM Abl. 1 (aka convert)
    THM Mag. 2 (aka the new stygian spikes)

    ...but wait, all of these are true.

    What do you have to complain about? You can continue to be a mediocre healer, but with a massive MP pool at your disposal.

    Back to our summary statement: Quit trying to fix something that's not broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    If this is your only concern, I am at a loss. Too bad there is no such thing as:

    THM having the largest MP pool among all the classes, boosted further when BLM.
    Native mp regen
    Ethers
    THM Abl. 5 (aka the new spirit song)
    BLM Abl. 1 (aka convert)
    THM Mag. 2 (aka the new stygian spikes)

    ...but wait, all of these are true.

    What do you have to complain about? You can continue to be a mediocre healer, but with a massive MP pool at your disposal.
    You forgot to add CNJ's MP regeneration ability as the things that don't exist for THM to make use of!

    If it's not THM native it doesn't count!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    You forgot to add CNJ's MP regeneration ability as the things that don't exist for THM to make use of!

    If it's not THM native it doesn't count!
    You mean a THM cannot put their weapon away to regen MP? That they have to go to an aetherite to regen mp without abilities or items?

    I don't think so.

    When I say native, that is what I mean: the ability to regen just by doing nothing.

    Since all mages can cast without pulling out their weapon, they all can take advantage of native mp regen, even in extended combat, such as Ifrit battles.
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 11-22-2011 at 02:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    If this is your only concern, I am at a loss. Too bad there is no such thing as:

    THM having the largest MP pool among all the classes, boosted further when BLM.
    Native mp regen
    Ethers
    THM Abl. 5 (aka the new spirit song)
    BLM Abl. 1 (aka convert)
    THM Mag. 2 (aka the new stygian spikes)
    In order:

    - MP pool doesn't mean much when you have no effective way to refill it
    - every class has native MP regen
    - every class can use ethers (and that is no more a serious solution than potions)
    - THM Abl. 5 is for attack magic only
    - you have no way to know that BLM will even be able to equip cross-class abilities
    - Stygian Spikes does nothing for MP regeneration if you aren't being hit

    But I will say this: I didn't consider simply abandoning THM for BLM. If jobs are not class locked in the abilities they can use, that's a perfectly reasonable solution for my ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    - MP pool doesn't mean much when you have no effective way to refill it
    - every class has native MP regen
    - every class can use ethers
    First, I love how point 2 and point 3 render point 1 moot. Today native regen is the single most commonly used MP regen tool used to survive Ifrit.

    Second, of the two mp regen abilities which conjurers get:

    * Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP.
    * Gradually stores MP while reducing HP. Effect fades and stored MP is obtained upon reuse.

    The first one is not class exclusive. The second one acts like a slow convert, so its another ability that, at least in spirit, both CNJ and THM can gain access to. Of course the BLM version is much faster.

    As a side note, it is interesting to see that neither class gets a massive mp boost similar to Exaltation anymore. Perhaps they were expecting us to try and be a little more resourceful, going forward.
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 11-22-2011 at 03:26 PM.