Thread: Request: Ability to re-assign class levels after 1.20

ehhh people are responding with anger for no reason, i dont see why so many people are offended that he might want to respec, the fact is, conjurer and thaumaturge have had such drastic changes that they are no longer what they were, thm especially bears almost no resemblence to what it was, in fact i dont think anything is left from thm at all, wait they still have a magic acc skill, and one that alters range, thats about the only thing in common with what it was.

Its not like he is asking for charity, he is saying if you make sweeping changes, so much so that the a class, or role is completely and utterly changed, give people the option to change jobs. Honestly now that i look at it, they really should have just made a new mage class for blm, it has very little in common with Thm. no absorbs, no death magics, nor darkness elements. Defensive skill styles totally gone. It really is like as someone said, conjurer was cut in half and one side killed thm and is wearing his clothes.

Originally Posted by Tsuga

The thing is that we were warned of this. If you (by you, I mean the OP) weren't prepared to have the game completely flipped on its head, you should have stopped playing after the second player poll.

It's like saying that you deserve compensation for all of the time you spent in a beta.

problem is this game costs money, and they said many times that you would not lose your progress, in all honesty what has happened to thm is almost exactly as if they DID reassign his levels, but to a new class with no other option. really man look at the skill list, there is only 2/15 skills from thm there. Even if he should have known that thm would change, i dont think anyone saw this coming, they dont even got scourge anymore. Combine that with the changes to the armory /cross class abilities, there really isnt much of his investment left.

Its honestly a pretty simple solution, yeah they are going to make drastic changes, if people feel that has changed thier charachters too much, let them switch their charachters, i really dont see who is getting hurt here. Whats the worst that can happen? hes a bad con? that could happen regardless.

Originally Posted by Physic

problem is this game costs money, and they said many times that you would not lose your progress, in all honesty what has happened to thm is almost exactly as if they DID reassign his levels, but to a new class with no other option. really man look at the skill list, there is only 2/15 skills from thm there. Even if he should have known that thm would change, i dont think anyone saw this coming, they dont even got scourge anymore. Combine that with the changes to the armory /cross class abilities, there really isnt much of his investment left.

Its honestly a pretty simple solution, yeah they are going to make drastic changes, if people feel that has changed thier charachters too much, let them switch their charachters, i really dont see who is getting hurt here. Whats the worst that can happen? hes a bad con? that could happen regardless.

The problem is that it's a slippery slope. If the dev team bends over backwards for every person that bitches about every little change, they are going to be compensating for everything to everyone. We all have things that we dislike with each patch, that does not mean that we are entitled to compensation for the inconveniences that they may cause us.

I don't like that I lost my AoE toggle on cures. I don't like some of the changes coming next patch. I didn't like some of the changes that came with last patch. But that's MY problem, not SE's problem. Everything in this game is subject to change. We've all known that for nearly a year, now. We are not entitled to anything as a result of said changes. There is a reason that this game has been made free for the entirety of these sweeping changes.

The fact that we paid money for a disk has been made irrelevant by the very fact that the game is being overhauled. The product is no longer what you were promised in your manual, or on the back of the box, and we voted for that last Winter. You bought into an MMO. MMOs change. Every patch could be the patch that nerfs your class/job, that is just the nature of MMOs. Progress could never be made in an MMO (especially one as broken as XIV) without such changes.

tl;dr - This is not the last of the changes, if SE compensates for this then they will be held to compensate for every other change that happens by the playerbase (if you browse these forums for more than a day you know that they will). If you've played any MMO ever you should be used to the idea that class changes often entail nerfs, and we've known for almost a year that we could log in tomorrow to a completely different game. SE warned you, and they owe you no compensation.

We keep on posting from a player standpoint on this subject. Let's instead think about the developers.

- Is it easy to program? Nope, too many specal cases to just bang out. While it would seem easy to to make some kind of point slide interface, there is a lot of potential for abuse.

- How many players are we aggravating with this? Not that many. At least in comparison to those who like or don't care.

- Do the have an alternative? Yes, many have already done it too. Level conj.

- does this have the potential to go wrong, and shut down the game to resolve? Yes

Originally Posted by GreyT

- Is it easy to program? Nope, too many specal cases to just bang out. While it would seem easy to to make some kind of point slide interface, there is a lot of potential for abuse.

- How many players are we aggravating with this? Not that many. At least in comparison to those who like or don't care.

- Do the have an alternative? Yes, many have already done it too. Level conj.

well i dont know their system, but in general in most games, its pretty easy to do, i would just allow you to switch two job levels from DoM. Also they dont need to build a UI for this, in theory its a one time thing, they could just add an npc script to change your levels around.

but if it is in fact super difficult to do, then i guess its a question of cost versus reward. I guess the devs will have to decide, but i dont think its an insane idea, or one that deserves hatred for mentioning.