Thread: Request: Ability to re-assign class levels after 1.20

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

You misunderstand the point.

I understand that THM is no longer going to be a healer in the new paradigm.
I'm not asking for THM to continue to have healing abilities.
I'm saying that I've already leveled a healing job to 50, so I'd like the option to continue to have a level 50 healing job after the next update.

what is healing job? Do we have one?

Originally Posted by Kopuno

Idk why there is so many of these post, and why I always see it from people who wanted to be a great healer, yet dont have the best sub leveled to 50.

I never said I wanted to be a "great healer." THM today is clearly inferior to CNJ as a healer, so if I wanted to be a "great healer," I wouldn't be on THM at all. (And again, I have no problem with normal class pecking orders when it comes to role superiority.)

I'm not sure why people keep suggesting to "just level CNJ"; that doesn't do anything for the time I've already spent leveling THM. Furthermore, if your solution to radical class changes is "just go level up the class that does what you used to do," what's the argument against a character wipe at 2.0?

The logic behind not wiping characters is to avoid forcing players to start over from scratch. Yet by telling a THM healer to go level CNJ instead, that's exactly what you're doing.

Originally Posted by Raikki

You leveled up THM to be a healer, but neglected your CNJ? I'm sorry but that's laughable. No tier 2 buffs (especially Stoneskin II). No Cure III. No Chainspell. No Roaming Soul.

Hey, if you want to min/max, more power to you. Again, as I said, if my desired primary role was main healer, I wouldn't even be on THM, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Not only that, but you should've seen the writing on the wall when CNJ got Curaga and Rebirth.

What does "the writing on the wall" have to do with the time I've already invested in THM?

I'm not asking for THM to keep a healer role; I'm asking for people who have leveled a healer class to get the option to still have one after the update.

It was never a healer class, it was a mage, with some hybrid functions. Its story background tipped to the umbral side of the spectrum, so you see things like draining health to heal others. That can become very inefficient and mediocre as a healer, especially on its own. That is, unless, you have a conjurer subclass, with spells dedictated to heal exclusively.

And before you say THM was a better healer for a time, it was also the best nuker and a very effective tank. Heck, THM players could solo Dodore Before it was nerfed. Please tell me some rebalancing was not necessary. When they adjusted THM's effectiveness in combat, it was to fix an OP class.

Your problem is you dont want to take the time to level another mage job to make yourself a more effective healer. Our argument is that whether this rebalance was happening or not, not taking the time to level both mage jobs has the same result: Keeping you from being a more effective healer.

Level up CNJ. It will take you hardly any time. In fact if you started when this topic began, you could have gained 20+ levels in CNJ by now.

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

For the ten months prior to 1.18, THM was arguably the best healer in the game. Their role as a healer was diminished in 1.18, but THM is still a capable healer today. However, in 1.20, it has been revealed that THM will no longer have a native healing spell. Given that THM is also losing Siphon MP (while CNJ receives new MP regeneration abilities), it seems that THM will effectively be transformed into a nuke-only job.

Speaking for myself, I ranked up THM under the old mages-are-good-at-both-roles paradigm, with the intent of using THM as a healer. Now that THM is being transformed into a straight nuking job, I am disappointed to learn my healing class will not be able to heal any more.

I understand that the players voted for drastic changes in the survey. However, if such changes are going to be implemented, is it possible for the players to be able to reassign class levels to match up to the new vision of the game?

This isn't a simple issue of "ARC isn't good any more so I want to be MRD now"; there are always going to be shifts in the pecking order of DDs. This is more like removing ARC's DD abilities and replacing them with BRD songs (which is, notably, not what is planned for ARC/BRD). There's a huge difference between shifts in the effectiveness of a role and removing that role altogether.

I am in complete agreement with you. For months I've been grasping at a solution to this problem and you simplified it. Reassignment of class levels should be mandatory with this patch, even if the patch has to be delayed another month to do it. It's the right thing to do.

EDIT: To people like Dude, get with it. He isn't upset about the changes. He just wants to put his levels into the role he thought he had chosen when he created his character. I don't see anything wrong with that. The idea that you would tell this person to spend the time grinding on another class to make up for this change is totally offensive.

Reparations. (Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.)

It's not the right thing to do, its certain players' 'gimme-gimme' attitude toward compensation for changes that we knew would happen in some form, and for which we should have been prepared.