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    Duuude Bismarck
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    It was never a healer class, it was a mage, with some hybrid functions. Its story background tipped to the umbral side of the spectrum, so you see things like draining health to heal others. That can become very inefficient and mediocre as a healer, especially on its own. That is, unless, you have a conjurer subclass, with spells dedictated to heal exclusively.

    And before you say THM was a better healer for a time, it was also the best nuker and a very effective tank. Heck, THM players could solo Dodore Before it was nerfed. Please tell me some rebalancing was not necessary. When they adjusted THM's effectiveness in combat, it was to fix an OP class.

    Your problem is you dont want to take the time to level another mage job to make yourself a more effective healer. Our argument is that whether this rebalance was happening or not, not taking the time to level both mage jobs has the same result: Keeping you from being a more effective healer.

    Level up CNJ. It will take you hardly any time. In fact if you started when this topic began, you could have gained 20+ levels in CNJ by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    For the ten months prior to 1.18, THM was arguably the best healer in the game. Their role as a healer was diminished in 1.18, but THM is still a capable healer today. However, in 1.20, it has been revealed that THM will no longer have a native healing spell. Given that THM is also losing Siphon MP (while CNJ receives new MP regeneration abilities), it seems that THM will effectively be transformed into a nuke-only job.

    Speaking for myself, I ranked up THM under the old mages-are-good-at-both-roles paradigm, with the intent of using THM as a healer. Now that THM is being transformed into a straight nuking job, I am disappointed to learn my healing class will not be able to heal any more.

    I understand that the players voted for drastic changes in the survey. However, if such changes are going to be implemented, is it possible for the players to be able to reassign class levels to match up to the new vision of the game?

    This isn't a simple issue of "ARC isn't good any more so I want to be MRD now"; there are always going to be shifts in the pecking order of DDs. This is more like removing ARC's DD abilities and replacing them with BRD songs (which is, notably, not what is planned for ARC/BRD). There's a huge difference between shifts in the effectiveness of a role and removing that role altogether.
    I am in complete agreement with you. For months I've been grasping at a solution to this problem and you simplified it. Reassignment of class levels should be mandatory with this patch, even if the patch has to be delayed another month to do it. It's the right thing to do.

    EDIT: To people like Dude, get with it. He isn't upset about the changes. He just wants to put his levels into the role he thought he had chosen when he created his character. I don't see anything wrong with that. The idea that you would tell this person to spend the time grinding on another class to make up for this change is totally offensive.
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    Last edited by Neptune; 11-21-2011 at 07:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune View Post
    He isn't upset about the changes. He just wants to put his levels into the role he thought he had chosen when he created his character. I don't see anything wrong with that. The idea that you would tell this person to spend the time grinding on another class to make up for this change is totally offensive.
    He wants.... what you want. Reparations. Which many of us, as seen in the numerous replies to this, and many of your topics, find, as you so aptly put, offensive. We knew what was coming, and many of us adjusted tactics; Adjusted to change. If a player decides they want to be half the mage they could be, (even though the best abilities are split between classes) then they shouldn't be surprised when a game rebalance suddenly emphasizes their.... mediocrity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune View Post
    There are actually 600,000 people who leveled their classes into the 20s-30s and then quit the game.
    Edit: And again you post some very specific statistics to support your assertions. Mind showing some citations, or was this a guess?

    After all, ffxivpro shows less than 1/6 of that value.
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 11-21-2011 at 07:39 PM.

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    Reparations. (Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.)

    It's not the right thing to do, its certain players' 'gimme-gimme' attitude toward compensation for changes that we knew would happen in some form, and for which we should have been prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Reparations. (Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.)

    It's not the right thing to do, its certain players' 'gimme-gimme' attitude toward compensation for changes that we knew would happen in some form, and for which we should have been prepared.
    I understand that you think someone who follows this game closely and plays this game a lot should have been prepared and adapted by now. Would it blow your mind to know that there are more players than that out there? There are actually 600,000 people who leveled their classes into the 20s-30s and then quit the game. They have been waiting to see what this game makes of itself before they come back. I doubt they have read this forum because they probably only read the main blogs or news sites. So don't be so down on people that come here to post because you don't know their history or where they're coming from.
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    You can get 50 in one or two days without trying hard. Stop whining.
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    This is the most dumb request from many time. It isn't a WoW respec, but a class change. Exp your cnj if you wanna heal (as you already should'd )
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    Ashley Zeibel
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    I was going to reply seriously, then I noticed that a year later and you didn't bother leveling Conjurer despite wanting to be a good healer. Heck, I will end up replying seriously anyways.

    There's no "time wasted" in you having leveled Thaumaturge. After all you had fun leveling it, right? Will your fun go away if they change the class now? No.

    Not to mention I'm pretty sure you will still have good uses for the new THM skills even if you end up leveling Conjurer to be a healer. Something I'd guess any mage actually wanting to be useful in a party already did last year, anyways.

    Finally, the majority of players voted YES on you know which question, and here are the results we "all" agreed on this, therefore...


    Cry moar.
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    You guys talk as if they changed Gladiator from a tanking role to a healing role... I'd feel more sympathetic with this request if that was the case

    But conjurer was THE healing class from day 1, with THM being the dark-magic class who can also heal a bit so that we don't necesarily need a conjurer in every party. If you failed to see this then it is your own fault, the game's originally intended role for conjurer has not changed...
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    This one takes the cake. You really do think you've seen it all, and then someone comes with a hair brained idea that puts them all to shame. Re-assign class levels? We are not playing in debug mode. You can level a class to 50 from 1 in a week, and that's from my own experience working full time and attending college full time.
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