Class reform on DoL & DoH

[Chardrizard]

what he is saying is that, yes, they were bought through guild marks and the quest was a prereq, but since you will no longer be able to buy the ability they didn't know if you would lose them or not if they are obtained after the r36 quest like it is now or have to wait until they get to r50.

Ah i get it now, so i might not have 'Hand of the Gods' anymore if they are only available as ALC50 since my ALC is only lv37, got'cha

[Vorn]

Ah i get it now, so i might not have 'Hand of the Gods' anymore if they are only available as ALC50 since my ALC is only lv37, got'cha

This is not what I said at all, it's the opposite

[Airget]

They really should leave the GMs alone for DoL and DoH til they actually reform them for those classes. Unlike the battle classes the abilities you can buy from the GM are quite useful so if they decide to make it level based it'll really screw over people that got said class quest done to gain access to them. Unless of course they make said ability gained at 37 in which there wouldn't be a problem lol.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

This is not what I said at all, it's the opposite

They said it was all gained through leveling except for Fingerprints of The Gods. That doesn't say that it will definitively be for Lv50, but since it is technically labeled as "Optimal Level 50" that is the assumption of when it's obtained when they take away Guild Mark purchases. As far as how you obtain the then purchasable abilities is known. You just simply level.

However, that doesn't mean that they won't change the optimal level around to make it obtainable sooner than expected. Only the developers know that little important part.

[Vorn]

It's obtained through a quest, so they would have to revamp the quests to make this possible, is what I'm saying.
It has nothing to do with level, other than the level you can do the quest, in which case, unless a new quest, you have already done it.

The fact they are "returnable" most likely no one will lose anything, they could just block it off with 50req, not opt. But then that should still be usable on other crafts that are 50.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Both disciplines will be adjusted so that they learn their abilities by leveling up, but actions and abilities will only see the following adjustments ("Fingerprints of the Gods" will still be learned via a quest):

• Actions related to eluding enemies will be removed (such as Seedkin Eluder).
  These actions will become useless with the implementation of Stealth, so we decided to remove them.
• "Wrist Flick" will be learned at level 10 instead of level 2.

The ability to purchase actions, abilities and treatises using guild tokens will be removed and guild tokens can no longer be used (edited at 4:28pm for clarity). Since it won't be possible to purchase treatises, they will no longer be included in recipes. In addition, purchased actions, abilities and treatises will be able to be returned in exchange for guild tokens at their respective guild.

Please note that we are still looking into future uses for guild tokens. We will let you know once we finalize a decision.

It's obtained through a quest, so they would have to revamp the quests to make this possible, is what I'm saying.
It has nothing to do with level, other than the level you can do the quest, in which case, unless a new quest, you have already done it.

See bold.

Yes, it does. You have it backwards. It has nothing to do with quests it has everything to do with leveling.

[Vorn]

See bold.

Yes, it does. You have it backwards. It has nothing to do with quests it has everything to do with leveling.

To some one hasn't leveled it, yes.....
But this is mostly about the people 36and upish......

And after 36, the next ability is 45.

So no... It's not about leveling, it's already leveled

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

To some one hasn't leveled it, yes.....
But this is mostly about the people 36and upish......

And after 36, the next ability is 45.

So no... It's not about leveling, it's already leveled

Wow.

/10character

[Vorn]

Wow.

/10character

You do realize you can get a rank 50 craft without ever doing a quest? But theN you wouldn't have the ability now, or after 1.20. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. For a rank 50 ability made obtained by a quest, I doubt it's going to be the same lvl 36 quest IF they revamped the quests..... Which would be the only way to keep it rank 50 ( learned)

But as I already said, they are refundable, and you can't return something you don't have, so either it's going to just stay the same, or become a required rank 50 instead of optimal. This wouldn't stop you from using this on the craft you actually got it for, provided they don't make them craft specific.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You do realize you can get a rank 50 craft without ever doing a quest? But theN you wouldn't have the ability now, or after 1.20. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. For a rank 50 ability made obtained by a quest, I doubt it's going to be the same lvl 36 quest IF they revamped the quests..... Which would be the only way to keep it rank 50 ( learned)

But as I already said, they are refundable, and you can't return something you don't have, so either it's going to just stay the same, or become a required rank 50 instead of optimal. This wouldn't stop you from using this on the craft you actually got it for, provided they don't make them craft specific.

You are just making it more complicated than it needs to be. You are right, thank you. It isn't a hard concept to grasp.

Treatises are refundable because they were abolished.
Actions are refundable because Eluding has been abolished.
Abilities are being refunded because they are no longer purchasable and are now level dependent.

If you've purchased them and are not the level required to gain the ability under the new changes, this is where that instance applies. Also, quests had little to do with gaining the abilities. They were just a requirement needed to unlock their purchase. What exactly would they need to "revamp" in the quest when it didn't involve the abilities in question?

Are we talking about the same thing? Do you even know what the discussion is?