WHM getting progressively more unnecessary in content?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I wouldn't really say WHM makes progression easier anymore, though. AST and SCH together have enough burst healing to make Cure III and Assize unnecessary in literally every dual-healer scenario, and as said before, Disable + CU are much better than WHM's powerheals.

I actually agree with this. I say WHM is better in progression, but when I think about it I'm not really basing that on anything. Cure III is hardly ever needed and when it is AST has it's own tools to mimic it's power. Really I'm finding it increasingly hard to ever consider WHM in a comp.
I mean, PLD and Monk have obvious benefits to both jobs, but WHM just offers nothing special in it's role.
This worked in 2.0, but with a third healer WHM can't continue to get by with healing alone.

[Docteur_Fluttershy]

It mostly worked in 2.0 because sch didnt have any way to heal decently in AoE at all, and whm was there for that. Sch only had succor and faire regen back then.

[technole]

It worked in 2.0 because there was only WHM/SCH. There was no alternative. WHM didn't have the oGCD heals, and SCH was limited to Shield Succor. Today Indom is OP, and AST also has mitigation that WHM never had, and stacks with SCH.

I remember helping a Duty Finder Turn 13 clear in the day as SCH/SCH and our Succor-spam was the scariest part of the fight for the Stack/divebomb/run since no Cure III. (Please crit, so people that don't get topped off live). Not to mention weak-protect, which I think the 10% echo took care of in a sense.

[basketofseals]

I don't understand why dps matters so much once you meet certain thresholds for phase skipping and enrages.

The real question is can WHM's increased healing potential help recover from mistakes in valuable ways? If not, what can be done about it?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I don't understand why dps matters so much once you meet certain thresholds for phase skipping and enrages.

The real question is can WHM's increased healing potential help recover from mistakes in valuable ways? If not, what can be done about it?

More DPS is never a bad thing. If you can finish a 5 min fight in 3 mins thanks to AST people will take it.
It's possible to do some very interesting phase skips with the power of AST. Such as A11 skipping the Lapis lazuli orbs entirely.

As far as what WHMs extra healing potency actually does for a raid.... nothing actually. The slightly higher regen potency is insignificant except on paper, which doesn't mean much in actual battle.
Cure, Cure II and Medica are actually overall weaker than it's benefic and Helios counterparts because of the sect effect on AST. Cure III hasn't been really needed since 2.0.

[Thrivaios]

More DPS is never a bad thing. If you can finish a 5 min fight in 3 mins thanks to AST people will take it.

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I have to really agree with you here at the very least about the A11 phase skips. If I can kick off some really well timed (and blessed RNG) balances and arrows, it's easy to completely skip this phase and go straight into the next.

As for Cure III I also agree. As sad as it is there are so few instances when it's truly beneficial that I moved it to my third hotbar which is for occasional use skills. It's also only worth it when the proc happens to halve its cost.

What basically ended up happening with AST was they took the best from both SCH and WHM and pieced them together, adding in a whole other level of benefit. Like you said, in the 3 healer meta WHM needs a new gimmick basically. Healing alone isn't going to cut it anymore.

[Accelerating]

I don't understand why dps matters so much once you meet certain thresholds for phase skipping and enrages.

The real question is can WHM's increased healing potential help recover from mistakes in valuable ways? If not, what can be done about it?

You're not really into raiding I reckon? Healer balance is 100% fine for anything but savage.

[ToasterMan]

I started leveling AST so I could bring that for my raid team if I needed to and I'm only level 35 and already starting to feel like this is a straight up UPGRADE from WHM

[Assirra]

I started leveling AST so I could bring that for my raid team if I needed to and I'm only level 35 and already starting to feel like this is a straight up UPGRADE from WHM

How in the world is that even possible?

[Ghishlain]

How in the world is that even possible?

At level 35, you actually have a lot of tools readily available on AST compared to WHM at the same level. This includes:

• Luminiferous Aether (which already has the boosted duration)
• Essential Dignity
• Draw and Royal Road for buffs (minor but it's there)
• A more potent HoT via Aspected Benefic

While already having Cure, Cure II, and Esuna equivalents at their disposal at a lower MP cost to boot.

It's actually pretty busted how many tools AST have at their disposal at low level compared to WHM.