WHM getting progressively more unnecessary in content?

[VanilleFang]

snip

i did state that I know why they changed Protect. I'm aware that Proshell would have made WHM pretty much a required healer in a lot of instances, but that doesn't change the fact that they buffed AST and SCH far more than WHM (too much imo). The buffs to the healers have been incredibly uneven, and it almost appears that WHM can only be nerfed.

I don't want WHM to become too complicated either.

My post was mostly only half serious. Enhanced Medica and Quick Stoneskin are absolute garbage traits though.

[technole]

I'll just be glad to have better mp regen. Healers dpsing is still a foreign concept to me. i dont think any of the previous mmos i played expected healers to contribute to damage, of course this is a different mmo. If there is no damage going out then I'm not going to just stand there, but im not going to actively dps though. It's waste of mp when you already have poor mp regen. Thats just my opinion form being on my 6th mmo.

This is a damage-based MMO, and a lot of WoW players don't always understand that. The best mitigation in the game is more damage. There are fights where the more damage you put in in earlier phases, ends up making it much easier to heal. Best White Mages use up all their MP to it's fullest potential, the regen isn't poor, just has to be used smartly, knowing MP costs. Like how many times can I holy, stone, and put up DoTs until I fall under a certain MP for certain healing mechanics?

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

If there is no damage going out then I'm not going to just stand there, but im not going to actively dps though. It's waste of mp when you already have poor mp regen. Thats just my opinion form being on my 6th mmo.

If you're not actively dpsing then you have no reason to even be close to running out of mana. Poor mp regen is false and what whms that overheal and don't manage their cds right say.

[Cynfael]

If there is no damage going out then I'm not going to just stand there, but im not going to actively dps though. It's waste of mp when you already have poor mp regen. Thats just my opinion form being on my 6th mmo.

Sorry to pile on here, but as Chii said, there is no way you will be running an MP deficit unless you are actively DPSing. If you use your skills correctly, healing will never bankrupt your MP under usual circumstances, and you will have plenty of it for regular DPS.

In this game, MP isn't a resource that needs to be hoarded. Yes, you use your cooldowns and your oGCD abilities to best effect, but once you are practicing basic MP management, you are never in the situation of sitting on your MP for fear that you'll run out. WHM can still actively DPS while healing; what they can't do is spam spells indefinitely like a BLM because Shroud, Assize, and natural MP regen alone cannot support it. SCH and AST currently have an advantage in extended DPS sessions because of their comparative ease of MP management.

[Billiam149]

no worries, its just an opinion. with my group I usually the one doing all the healing with my co healer staying in dps stance, except for instances where mitigation is heavily need. I'm still relatively new to this mmo.

[Billiam149]

did not know that, not a wow player. played it for a couple days and didn't like it. every group does thing differently. I usually do most of the healing while co healer does the dps until things require two healers.

[Billiam149]

But of course any tips or helpful advise is most appreciated. Not snide remarks. id same I'm a pretty casual player, and I haven't been playing for that long either so I'm sure there is plenty about the game I don't know. I started a few months before heavensward launched then left the game for 3 or so months do to lack of time for it.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

While it may be true that WHM is meant to be a simple job for straight forward healing, it shouldn't effect hold back the people that take full advantage of WHM and play it at a high skill level.

With AST and SCH, a player playing at a high level can make the job nearly broken in what it can do for your party.
In WHMs case, no matter how good you are, you are drastically limited to the WHMs basic healing toolkit and can't get anywhere near the power of the other two even though you're playing at an equal skill level.

When I think about it, maybe the extremely weak MP restoration is backing the fact that WHMs aren't expected to contribute much else other than healing, which means they don't take WHMs who DPS into consideration.

Hopefully they can make WHM a bit more advanced in 4.0. Their simplicity is unfortunately holding them back.

[RiisWolf]

To the raiders that want to MIN/MAX, it's always about the damage.

Just like with Monk even though they are the strongest melee DPS, those players will want a DRG or NIN instead to fluff their numbers. It was no surprise that WHM is getting pushed out of the spotlight for the same reason, especially when they keep buffing the AST who's just discount WHM/SCH with buffs to die for. Can WHM boost damage directly like SCH and AST can? No. Do you need maximum healing power? No. Does it matter that they are the strongest damaging healer? No! If you can get away with less healing then of course they'll cut out as much healing as possible, even if it means going in there without a healer altogether if they could. They'll even cut out those it hurts the most, which is sadly only the paladin (can't MIN/MAX damage if you're not topped off)

[loreleidiangelo]

Didn't read the whole thread, but realistically due to the extremely limited raid sizes in this game and the addition of new jobs down the line, it's going to become VERY apparent which healers aren't stacking up to the typical meta. When there are 4 healing jobs and you can only take 2 of them...sorry, healer (or healers) that doesn't bring enough personal or group DPS - you're out.