WHM getting progressively more unnecessary in content?

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I dont think the raid population is large enough to base basically everything off of them. I hope they do things for whm because I love whm, and I havent started astro yet because that will be my last class to level. But these treads are like always only considering raid content when not even half the games population even raids I dont really understand that.

Kind of missing the point. It's more along the lines of job balancing and there is an imbalance.
I don't want to see AST nerfed since they had it rough since 3.0 and they are finally in a good spot, I want to see WHM get something that makes up for the lack of cards, shields, fairy, mp regen, etc since all 3 healers are able to heal effectively.

Just a few ideas I see floating around:

Utility:
Devotion (Ability that was in FFXI): Sacrifice 25% of HP to give to a party member in MP
Esuna trait that has a chance to become aoe.

Mitigation (since no supervirus from Scholar or Disable from Astrologian):
Shell: Reduce magic damage by X% for 10 seconds for party members in range

MP:
Increase the amount of MP recovered from Shroud of Saints and/or Assize.
Stone trait that lets Stone spells have a chance to make the next Stoneskin instant and cost no MP

I have hope that SE will do something for WHM in 4.0 as they have said they want to focus on making jobs have their own uniqueness. We'll just have to cross our fingers and see.

[bswpayton]

Kind of missing the point.

I totally agree but id also have to say skill level comes into play here as well, I have seen some horrible scholars, that think they can heal like whm in my own experience id much rather have a whm in a party than scholars only and this is suppose to be the op class. What I see happening is more scholars rely on their pets to do everything than anything, so I think your more average player can handle a whm more so because cure 2s potency is gona be the same regardless of skill. So yes maybe in raids with more mitigation needed astros are better, but in ur day to day content if you dont have the skill level to play scholar or astro Id much rather have a whm in my party. But like you said hopefully they will even things out esp if one of the new jobs happens to also be a healer.

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Haha yeah definitely. Imagine a 4th healer and the amount of trouble balancing around that.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

There's two sides of debates. You give your opinion, and someone can either agree or disagree with your opinion. We agreed that WHm is a fine healer, but we're in a disagreement that it's fine to stay like this as long as they can keep people up.
There's more to every other healer than just healing, and there should be more to a WHM too, unless they buff the strength of their heals so much their heals are hands down the best, which it isn't atm.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I get the feeling these threads won't stop until AST has been nerfed back down to their 3.0

Don't be ridiculous. No one wants that.
AST was fine in 3.2, where their heals were strong and their buffs were decent but not broken.
Now the heals are still decent, but the buffs are insane. One needs to be knocked down a bit.

Remember when cards effects all lasted 15s? Perhaps it should go back to that. Or better yet 20s and you're able to extend it to 30s instead of 40s which is utterly ridiculous.

[Cynfael]

I totally agree but id also have to say skill level comes into play here as well, I have seen some horrible scholars, that think they can heal like whm in my own experience id much rather have a whm in a party than scholars only and this is suppose to be the op class. What I see happening is more scholars rely on their pets to do everything than anything, so I think your more average player can handle a whm more so because cure 2s potency is gona be the same regardless of skill. So yes maybe in raids with more mitigation needed astros are better, but in ur day to day content if you dont have the skill level to play scholar or astro Id much rather have a whm in my party. But like you said hopefully they will even things out esp if one of the new jobs happens to also be a healer.

We're a little off-topic here, but I've always maintained the opposite viewpoint: if I'm going to be stuck with a terrible healer, I'll take the bad SCH over the bad WHM since at least the fairy is guaranteed to do something.

IMO WHM still requires a better sense of planning and strategy to play truly well as a healer. SCH and AST have higher skill ceilings with their more complex kits, but even an inexperienced SCH or AST can try to cover for poor planning with instant healing/shielding, while a WHM usually has fewer such options available at any given time and has longer CDs constraining their use.

[FoxyAreku]

Again?

Is literally all you do on forums is make anti-white mage posts?

I'm starting to wonder if you're just a troll. Multiple threads on multiple different forums bashing white mage saying it needs buffs even though you are presented with countless arguments that prove the contrary.

I don't mean to be rude but geez, get over it.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Again?

Is literally all you do on forums is make anti-white mage posts?

I'm starting to wonder if you're just a troll. Multiple threads on multiple different forums bashing white mage saying it needs buffs even though you are presented with countless arguments that prove the contrary.

I don't mean to be rude but geez, get over it.

Bashing WHM? I'm just calling out it's faults and such.
That may come off as hating on the job but I'm not at all.

And there's really nothing out there proving that WHM doesn't need help. It's generally agreed on that while it's a viable healer, it's also the weakest healer by far.

[Rivxkobe]

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I see no evidence of the OP bashing WHM.

It is actually kind of the opposite, they are pointing out the faults of it because they main it and want it to be better.

Also there has been little to no evidence presented that prove that WHM aren't the weakest healing job currently.

[Yeol]

Also there has been little to no evidence presented that prove that WHM aren't the weakest healing job currently.

Correction, they are not the weakest. They have no party utility like the other two healers which made them less desirable.
The weakest in heals will be SCH > AST >= WHM (Strongest heals).

Proof will be FFlogs. Someone posted numbers between WHM and AST comparing healing numbers and party HP%. WHM is superior but AST is not far behind.