WHM getting progressively more unnecessary in content?

[Cynfael]

If there is no damage going out then I'm not going to just stand there, but im not going to actively dps though. It's waste of mp when you already have poor mp regen. Thats just my opinion form being on my 6th mmo.

Sorry to pile on here, but as Chii said, there is no way you will be running an MP deficit unless you are actively DPSing. If you use your skills correctly, healing will never bankrupt your MP under usual circumstances, and you will have plenty of it for regular DPS.

In this game, MP isn't a resource that needs to be hoarded. Yes, you use your cooldowns and your oGCD abilities to best effect, but once you are practicing basic MP management, you are never in the situation of sitting on your MP for fear that you'll run out. WHM can still actively DPS while healing; what they can't do is spam spells indefinitely like a BLM because Shroud, Assize, and natural MP regen alone cannot support it. SCH and AST currently have an advantage in extended DPS sessions because of their comparative ease of MP management.

[Billiam149]

no worries, its just an opinion. with my group I usually the one doing all the healing with my co healer staying in dps stance, except for instances where mitigation is heavily need. I'm still relatively new to this mmo.

[Billiam149]

But of course any tips or helpful advise is most appreciated. Not snide remarks. id same I'm a pretty casual player, and I haven't been playing for that long either so I'm sure there is plenty about the game I don't know. I started a few months before heavensward launched then left the game for 3 or so months do to lack of time for it.

[Fernosaur]

But of course any tips or helpful advise is most appreciated. Not snide remarks. id same I'm a pretty casual player, and I haven't been playing for that long either so I'm sure there is plenty about the game I don't know. I started a few months before heavensward launched then left the game for 3 or so months do to lack of time for it.

If your healer partner is a Scholar, proper use of their fairy can net you more DPS uptime even as WHM. You should talk it out with them and see which fairy they're using and at what times they're using Rouse so that you get a chance to throw some DoTs and Stones in there too. The best part about that is that SCH themselves don't even have to leave CS to help out their co-healer to DPS more.

If it's a NoctAST, you can have them throw barriers and Benefic IIs more often to let you put up DoTs or switch around your DPS uptimes too.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

While it may be true that WHM is meant to be a simple job for straight forward healing, it shouldn't effect hold back the people that take full advantage of WHM and play it at a high skill level.

With AST and SCH, a player playing at a high level can make the job nearly broken in what it can do for your party.
In WHMs case, no matter how good you are, you are drastically limited to the WHMs basic healing toolkit and can't get anywhere near the power of the other two even though you're playing at an equal skill level.

When I think about it, maybe the extremely weak MP restoration is backing the fact that WHMs aren't expected to contribute much else other than healing, which means they don't take WHMs who DPS into consideration.

Hopefully they can make WHM a bit more advanced in 4.0. Their simplicity is unfortunately holding them back.

[RiisWolf]

To the raiders that want to MIN/MAX, it's always about the damage.

Just like with Monk even though they are the strongest melee DPS, those players will want a DRG or NIN instead to fluff their numbers. It was no surprise that WHM is getting pushed out of the spotlight for the same reason, especially when they keep buffing the AST who's just discount WHM/SCH with buffs to die for. Can WHM boost damage directly like SCH and AST can? No. Do you need maximum healing power? No. Does it matter that they are the strongest damaging healer? No! If you can get away with less healing then of course they'll cut out as much healing as possible, even if it means going in there without a healer altogether if they could. They'll even cut out those it hurts the most, which is sadly only the paladin (can't MIN/MAX damage if you're not topped off)

[loreleidiangelo]

Didn't read the whole thread, but realistically due to the extremely limited raid sizes in this game and the addition of new jobs down the line, it's going to become VERY apparent which healers aren't stacking up to the typical meta. When there are 4 healing jobs and you can only take 2 of them...sorry, healer (or healers) that doesn't bring enough personal or group DPS - you're out.

[Assirra]

Didn't read the whole thread, but realistically due to the extremely limited raid sizes in this game and the addition of new jobs down the line, it's going to become VERY apparent which healers aren't stacking up to the typical meta. When there are 4 healing jobs and you can only take 2 of them...sorry, healer (or healers) that doesn't bring enough personal or group DPS - you're out.

Only when you want to be the number 1 or are super focused on comps.
Even back in wow 10 man all kinds of healers were used and there are lot more in that game.
Not to mention this game has the amazing ability to make you switch class on the fly so as long as you level and gear more then 1 healer job you are fine.

[RitzNBitz]

WHM makes an excellent Co-Healer to a Noct AST. They can throw regens while doing a substantial amount of DPS out while the noct AST handles the rest. Its just a different type of playstyle that we aren't used to with WHM/SCH. WHM fills in where the Noct AST cannot, not only with regens but with emergency heals that are all OGCD allowing them to be used in between DPS'ing without worrying about GCD's.

In fact i'de beckon this combo is alot stronger then diurnal/sch. Diurnal feels like a poor mans WHM sometimes. And DPS wise on par or stronger then SCH/WHM due to cards.

[Accelerating]

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Pretty much the other way around for me: WHM feels like a poor mans Diurnal AST: While AST provides the necessary healing, he also brings mitigation and powerful buffs. Also I don't really see WHM as an offhealer, because he is too much limited by his manapool.
Furthermore I don't really understand what you mean by "emergency heals that are all OGCD". Benediction shouldn't be used as an emergency heal, but as a planned healingburst after a tankbuster (combined with HG/LD). Tetra should be used as often as possible to maximize mana efficiency.
Not saying WHM/AST or WHM/SCH is bad, AST/SCH is just better.