Monk in the "Savage" community

[Vethos]

If another DPS/support DPS comes out that uses blunt damage, but doesn't have the means of applying a blunt resist down, monk would become much more of value.

You'd have to get rid of DRK if you want to be optimal but DRK still would have its place in any party that doesn't have a monk lol.

[Stormfur]

I think come 4.0 there will be a lot more synergy between party members so that you don't have to have a specific composition in order to get the benefits.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Let's see... MNK... WHM... now all we need is a thread about how poorly suited PLD is for Savage Raiding! On topic, MNKs are just fine now. Taking one means having an easier time recovering from mistakes, where not having one can cause a small mistake to snowball into an otherwise easily prevented wipe.

[ServerCollaps]

you can run duo monk, they buff each other

or kick the blm/smn and go triple melee+mch

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I wonder if anyone's ever done that. No one said that every raid comp has to have a caster.

[Frowny]

I... what? Every static I've seen typically wants a MNK and NIN. A great MNK may lack utility, but they bring huge damage to the party. You try to match members to mesh with each other but it isn't exactly a requirement. The synergy does help, but if you're not after world first or something you'll do just fine. I've done A9S with 2 BRDs and 2 WHMs before and had few issues.

I've also never really needed to use Elusive in Savage. If I'm pulling aggro either I went in too early, got several crits or the tank isn't doing something right.

Edit: @Thunda it is doable, but it makes A9S REALLY difficult as you need decent AoE. MNK/DRG can't really provide it like 2 ranged can.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I think come 4.0 there will be a lot more synergy between party members so that you don't have to have a specific composition in order to get the benefits.

I have a feeling Dancer and Monk are going to synergize with eachother really well.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

They are not as bad as to say you won't clear if you have a monk, but they are as bad as to say you will have a much easier time if you take any other melee other than monk.

Exactly this. I think people get confused over a job being just viable, and a job being competitive in it's role.
Monk, PLD, and WHM are all viable, but as far as how strong they are compared to their competition, they're extremely weak. And I think it's rather unbalanced to have certain jobs lack so much when others in their role match/come extremely close to their healing/mitigation/dmg and offer much more.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Monk could undoubtedly use some minor adjustment, if only because the one asset they do bring outside a buffed Mantra a Dark Knight will contribute. That being said, they are far from weak. Unlike Dragoon, Monk suffers less from downtime due to their rapid DPS sustainability. For one, they can blow off a massive burst if the boss jumps and quickly rebuild Greased Lightning. Dragoon, on the other hand, lacks the same raw damage after their opener, Geirskogul has a much lower potency on single targets than Tornado Kick and BotD works off a cooldown instead of building stacks through your rotation. There's no need to compare Ninja since a good Monk should pull far ahead on the damage scale. What they lack in utility, they make up in raw damage. I wouldn't even mind if Stormblood only increased that difference to better separate the three melees.

Honestly, I don't want Monk to get their own raid utility because that just makes the jobs more homogenized. Right now, you bring whatever melee based on what you prefer for your group. If you're lacking damage, get a Monk. If you're struggling on TP, get a Ninja. If you want raid wide utility and good damage, get a Dragoon.

Exactly this. I think people get confused over a job being just viable, and a job being competitive in it's role.
Monk, PLD, and WHM are all viable, but as far as how strong they are compared to their competition, they're extremely weak. And I think it's rather unbalanced to have certain jobs lack so much when others in their role match/come extremely close to their healing/mitigation/dmg and offer much more.

Actually, White Mage DPS is exceptionally high if you have a good co-healer. They don't have the sustainability Scholar does, but in heal intensive fights like A11/A12 Savage. They definitely aren't weak.

[natyusha]

None of the fastest kills for any current fight include a Monk since they simply have the lowest raid dps contribution of the three melee jobs. I was quite surprised that Monks didn't receive a buff for the last raid patch since SE generally buffs them slightly for each new tier.