Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[SpookyGhost]

Few things:

1. Macros are okay if you're feeling lazy and doing content where you can be lazy (Fate farming, story fights, etc) - however the error you've made is in claiming that they're "competitive". As others have pointed out, there is an inherent GCD delay in GCD Macros (you can even see this in your own follow-up video) - a roughly ~5-10% DPS loss over the course of a fight. That isn't competitive, that's flat out worse, and the barrier you'd need to leap over to get that extra DPS is a very small one.

2. You mention that Monk "has a lot of buttons" but, in reality, it has very few. For example I can fit all my stance-related GCDs on Q, E, 1, 2, 3, and 4 - these are all well within range of WASD and make it very easy to execute any string of combos whenever I want on a standard USB KB+M.

3. While it's nice that you want to help players, a teacher is typically one with tons of info and experience regarding what they're teaching. You are clearly new to Monk as you've yet to even reach 60 - which isn't a bad thing, everyone's been where you are, but you shouldn't be spreading information you haven't verified with more experienced players or, alternatively, you can wait and get that experience yourself.

Also just some educational video editing related stuff:

- Don't need a face cam unless you're actually an important part of the video - people will have an easier time concentrating if the only thing they can see is the gameplay footage when they need to be looking at it.

- If you are going to include a face cam, don't put your face 2 feet away from it. This isn't flattering for anyone as it makes you look like you're breathing down the viewers neck.

- It's better to include ways to contact/follow you at the end of the video or at the beginning rather than taking up a portion of your screen throughout the whole video. Just makes it feel cluttered that way, especially when you have a face cam and a text document on it as well.

[TheRealMadruck]

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I have been playing FF14 for over 2 years Spooky with over 9 60's at max level. My youtube channel(I understand if you do not go there to verify) Clearly explains what happened to my old account. So just on basis on my current account has no factor on my knowledge in which I can understand others would get that misconception. And if you took every button individually, http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Monk, http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Pugilist minus everything except basic attacks needed at 60 for your rotation you are still left with 18 buttons. Thats not even including buffs! So Monks do have alot of buttons as do other Jobs. And the sole purpose of this thread and my videos was to show a proper way to macro if someone chooses to, not that it is the only way to play. Lastly, thank you for your feedback on improving my videos and channel and I will consider it for future details. Take care.....

[Taika]

Again, it is competitive to all forms of content in FF14....why do you automatically assume that I was only speaking about Endgame?

I didn't assume anything. For this way of playing to be competitive, it would have to be able to provide DPS at least above average compared to other Monks. Because the competitiveness comes from comparison to other Monks. This is not content specific: you can compare using macros versus not using them in whatever content you wish. But using macros will always lose, and a player who uses macros will not be able to be competitive in comparison to a player who doesn't no matter what the content.

You're simply trying to promote an inferior way to play the game, and you descriping it as "competitive" is false.

[TheRealMadruck]

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Taika, I have factual data I posted on my 2nd video that shows that Macros are competitive with only a slight decrease to dps for casual and midcore content. As I have stated, I have never claimed that using only Macros is the only way to play Monk. You can consider it inferior as you like, but until you or anyone does a similar test and provides data that states to the contrary, everything else is pure speculation and theory....not based on facts. I have a public video showing that Macros do work for a number of different situations in game not just for Endgame. If you choose not to use Macros, that is your choice....but have the understanding that it is a built in system designed by SE for FF14 and if it was never supposed to be used......why hasnt Yoshi P or their Dev Team Pulled it from the FF14 system and why do they keep updating it with new commands?

[Taika]

Taika, I have factual data I posted on my 2nd video that shows that Macros are competitive with only a slight decrease to dps for casual and midcore content.

No, you have extremely limited data (1 fight comparison) showing that you using macros has certain % decrease in your DPS compared to your DPS when you don't use them. The data is not from level 60 and can't even be compared to actual current casual or midcore content (outside of leveling content) in the game. Furthermore, since your non-macro DPS in that data isn't even competitive for that level, the comparison doesn't prove anything even in that narrow context.

[Kaurie]

I have been playing FF14 for over 2 years Spooky with over 9 60's at max level.

If you have over 9 60's, how can you think that MNK has a lot of buttons and how can you think that macros are a good idea?

[TheRealMadruck]

No, you have data showing that you using macros has certain % decrease in your DPS compared to your DPS when you don't use them. The data is not from level 60 and can't even be compared to actual current casual or midcore content (outside of leveling content) in the game. Furthermore, since your non-macro DPS in that data isn't even competitive for that level, the comparison doesn't prove anything even in that narrow context.

What? Since when does anyone do Level 22 fates near Quarrelmill as an example as a level 60? There is such a thing as Level Sync which I assume you are aware of. Again, if you want to say my data is false, prove it with more than words! I want documented facts that the entire FF14 community can judge for themselves! Not just your own theories! You claim that my video has no basis of fact.....PROVE IT!

[Kitfox]

anyone...even the most proficient Monk in FF14 can have a bad day.

Yes, exactly. Even a MNK using macros will make mistakes. That's my point. Everyone will make mistakes regardless of their input method, and with practice both will make the same amount of mistakes, but one system will be better overall.

also that assuming all players who do Macro will never learn to play Monk properly without Macros is kinda presumptuous wouldn't you say?

I'm not assuming that at all. I'm only saying that it will hinder them because they're different ways to play. They'll have to learn two systems instead of one, which will be slower, a hinderance. I'm assuming (and hoping) everyone will eventually get to the same point with practice. I don't understand why you would want to get there slower, or use a flawed system when you get there. Why learn two ways of playing, when you could learn one? What was is about keeping things simple?

Macros are very useful for call outs and crafting, I'm not denying their usefulness. But for fighting they're not, because they make you slower and less flexible. They also delay learning the proper way to maximize DPS. I just don't see any upsides to using them. But as long as it's understood that they're not an optimal way to play, I don't really care.

Also, anyone saying using macros is a gigantic loss like 50% dps is just trolling. Using the same exact rotation with the only difference of activating GCDs with macros, I really can't imagine the difference being more than 5-10%. But if your macros are bad and the rotation is NOT the same optimal rotation down to the oGCDs, then the loss can obviously be anything up to 100%. It is pretty hard to maintain a perfect rotation with macros while also gaining significant simplification at the same time though, which is why I don't see the point.

[Mwynn]

What? Since when does anyone do Level 22 fates near Quarrelmill as an example as a level 60? There is such a thing as Level Sync which I assume you are aware of. Again, if you want to say my data is false, prove it with more than words! I want documented facts that the entire FF14 community can judge for themselves! Not just your own theories! You claim that my video has no basis of fact.....PROVE IT!

Macros have 1 second Delay, Monks build on Crit/Det and not but atleast Skillspeed in the end.

Thus their Combo Abilities will come up faster and beat the 1 Second Delay that Macros has.

Good luck weaving in some OGCD Abilities, I'm pretty sure Macros are able to keep up the Speed!

The End.

[Kitfox]

Macros have 1 second Delay

This is incorrect. The only delays related to macros are no ability queueing and /wait command being rounded to full seconds.