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  1. #121
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    alsims2007's Avatar
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    Bathu'a Silver'al
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    Famfrit
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Yeah this is just idiotic at this point. We already have the group of people that say why bring a monk to anything since they dont bring the dps utility of jobs X Y and Z but he's trying to say it's competitive to drop nearly 270 dps. Really?
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  2. #122
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    Little Vegeta
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    Gilgamesh
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    Armorer Lv 50
    If say me and you (mad) went in to gubal hard with the exact same gear, I with 99.9 % certainty would do double your dps... is this how you played monk at 60 with your other account?
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  3. #123
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    Also I just watched your comparison video.. your difference was 2% over two mins.. well if the fight is 15 mins you'll lose 2% every two mins... so your dps loss for your current set up would be 15% loss.. not 2%
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  4. #124
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    Firkmann Solksthalsyn
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    Goblin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlevegeta View Post
    Also I just watched your comparison video.. your difference was 2% over two mins.. well if the fight is 15 mins you'll lose 2% every two mins... so your dps loss for your current set up would be 15% loss.. not 2%
    I know you would love for the math to work out that way but it does not work that way Vegeta! You do not stack 2% every 2 minutes on the laws of averages....but as I stated you and others will make false math calculations no matter what I say or prove I provide. If you do not want to use Macros, then dont....leave it at that! Using false math calculations will not change me from providing my information to those that would like to use for midcore to casual content. Thats all I way say in regards to this subject!
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    I guess it's my fate as a Dark Knight. Soon, I won't even feel any remorse for my actions!-Cecil Harvey-FFIV DRK

  5. #125
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    yohbuster's Avatar
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    Yoh Headphones
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    Gilgamesh
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    Pugilist Lv 24
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post
    I know you would love for the math to work out that way but it does not work that way Vegeta! You do not stack 2% every 2 minutes on the laws of averages....but as I stated you and others will make false math calculations no matter what I say or prove I provide. If you do not want to use Macros, then dont....leave it at that! Using false math calculations will not change me from providing my information to those that would like to use for midcore to casual content. Thats all I way say in regards to this subject!
    This got me wanting to try and do a side by side test with you ingame. Not cause I wanna prove you wrong. But to test myself on my own rotation. Are you on Balmung or have an alt there? Let me know. I wanna see how mine stacks up.
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  6. #126
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    yohbuster's Avatar
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    Yoh Headphones
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelSpites View Post
    Nah. That first video took long enough to make. Your macros are a dps loss in any content, not just end game. I don't know if you know this dude, but 13% is huge no matter what you're doing. Everyone, literally everyone has been telling you this. They've shown you the math, which you totally ignored and now even a video using the exact macros you showed off (You know, the ones you called "The ideal monk rotation") apparently isn't enough. You want to keep moving the goalposts and saying "Nah though, you just didn't do it right", that's your deal.
    You're on balmung. Mind if you test my rotation ingame? my balmung character is Remy Buster. LEt me know. As I always want to improve and you seem to have some good know how on you.
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  7. #127
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Macro's are a dps loss. They aren't meant for fitting multiple actions in for combat. Otherwise we wouldn't have the dev team talking about the lack of buttons we're having.

    The devs didn't make macro's to be used for putting multiple skills on one button. The most use they have is for <tt> on one skill, or for text related help, like saying who is being raised or if you used a certain cooldown (Beserk.)
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  8. #128
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    Aven Pathfinder
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Madruck people are not saying to stop using macros we are simply saying they are not a crutch to be relied on for the combat classes as one day a player in order to improve will need to remove it. Macros have their place for targeting, announcing things and crafting but as I've and many others have said before there is loss in using them, they are not reliable and frequently miss out abilities that should trigger, I should know I used to use one for SMN that would do Rouse and Spur but have since removed it due to it's inconsistent nature. Almost all of us at one point or another has attempted what you have and after much pain have found them to either be a flat loss or too inconsistent to rely upon. Don't take this is a personal attack we are trying to steer you and others away from a path well trodden that we know to lead to a cliff edge.
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  9. #129
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    Hel Spites
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    Balmung
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    Miner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by yohbuster View Post
    You're on balmung. Mind if you test my rotation ingame? my balmung character is Remy Buster. LEt me know. As I always want to improve and you seem to have some good know how on you.
    Sure, I'm don't mind helping someone who actually wants to improve. Just toss me a tell whenever you're in game.
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  10. #130
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    AreciaRhi's Avatar
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    Yves Chevalier
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Monk is as easy as goon and blackmage. Especially without macros. You can even be a scrub and get it half right. With half dps too.

    Seen a healer tell me they may not give me heals cause it's not in their macro I was like.... (am BLM, usually pulls aggro once or twice from pug tanks)

    Lol wut

    Even if you're on PlayStation please don't use macros for dps ;_; (or heals or tanking...)
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