Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Hobbit, I created a video showing my Parse information. And you are right that the combos for Monk are not static like Dragoon and Ninja. But, you state that the only way to prove my Macros work at all(even for solo or casual content) is to go to one of the highest areas to test? I did not make my video or my post raiders only but for all players that do monk. I know I am getting alot of push back from my information but I have done test already on this as I stated in my second video!

Also looking at the video the macro'd one lasts for 3 secs longer than the non macro'd one. Also what happens with lag when 1 skill doesn't fire off the macro is broken.

[TheRealMadruck]

So, this thread got me to go make a thing. Here's you go. Here's how your macro stacks up against an actual monk rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCR...ature=youtu.be

Thank you Helspites for that Video, so you did exactly as I stated and proved exactly my point! Lets do your math....total without Macro's is 2017, total using your modified Macro(good to see you took my information by heart and adjust to it with your playstyle)1747, subtract 1747 from 2017 you get a difference of 264. 264 is a % loss of 13.08 Compared to the Numbers others have said of upwards of 30% or more. Secondly, you state that I made the comment that the DPS loss from the 2nd video applies to my first video...I never said that.....https://youtu.be/GIh6eGFrxFs?t=215 If you clearly look at my 2nd video during my test you clearly saw a 2 line macro compared again to the 5-6 line macro from my first video in which I clearly stated would be a larger DPS loss on my 2nd video! So you make a blanket statement that I said that the dps from my video test from my 2nd video applies to my primary macro from video 1 which is utterly false. So again, the test you did on a 5-6 line item Macro yet again proves my data, that the dps you lose is not as massive as other claim it to be. Now try correctly to do a test on my actual 2nd video macro with only 2 line items and compare the actual dps you lose then.....not the 5-6 line item you claim I stated. But thank you for confirming my data and showing others the misconception that Macros are a severe dps loss when it comes to using them in casual to midcore content....NOT ENDGAME, In which my video clearly states!

[Taika]

Lets do your math....total without Macro's is 2017, total using your modified Macro(good to see you took my information by heart and adjust to it with your playstyle)1747, subtract 1747 from 2017 you get a difference of 264. 264 is a % loss of 13.08

So at level 60 using your macros results in 13% of DPS loss which is a massive decrease in DPS. Let's just end the discussion there.

The test was not the 2 line item macro with only a loss of 2%.

As far as I know, no one in this thread has posted any confirmation that using the 2 line macro would only be a 2% DPS loss when used by a level 60 competent MNK. The difference between macros and direct abilities only grows the higher level, item level and skill level the player comparing them is.

[Caitlyn]

and showing others the misconception that Macros are a severe dps loss when it comes to using them in casual to midcore content....NOT ENDGAME, In which my video clearly states!

The main problem here is, that players could use your macros for midcore/casual-content and never learn how to play Monk without them. Then, the time will come, where they want to play endgame-content and got a huge problem, because they have to learn how to play Monk all over again. Your Monk-macro seems to be not that bad, but that doesnt change the fact, that you should not use macros for combos. Make it easy at the beginning makes it harder at the end.

Like I ve previously stated, it COULD cause more problems than solving it. If you need to stun a boss because of a specific mechanic (like Coil 5), you actually wasted your stun in your standard rotation (because of macro). Featherfoot and Blood Bath should not be used in your macro because you dont need them. Your macro COULD make things easier for casual/midcore content. But when it comes to 60, you still have more than enough skills left you have to activate manually (like your Off-GCDs and your DoT), so a few less buttons doesnt makes a huge difference in my opinion. Using macros can make things go terribly wrong, especially when you have no idea which skill was used before ^^.

During my tests, my thumb hurts so much by pressing the same button all over again xD

[TheRealMadruck]

So at level 60 using your macros results in 13% of DPS loss which is a massive decrease in DPS. Let's just end the discussion there.

If you feel that using the macros does not work for you, then do not use them. I do not use them when I do endgame content, but as I stated the test he did was with a modified version of a 5-6 line item macro in which was a loss of 13%. The test was not the 2 line item macro that I did which showed data with only a loss of 2%.

[Avin00]

Madruck,

I get what you are trying to do here but if as you say in a simple macro two lines only you experience a 2% loss and every additional line compounds that further to the point of a 13% loss wouldn't it be better just to learn to play without them rather than rely on a crutch. A crutch that you will one day need to remove in order to, as you say, be competitive in that arena? Macros do have their place in this game mostly for crafting and even in that area they can and do screw up due to latency and the way the game handles them. I'm sorry but unless macros are changed to allow for queuing of skills they will always be worse than simply activating the skills manually and while they are like that advocating their use is not something I or anyone striving to be the best at their chosen job should support.

[Brill_]

.but have the understanding that it is a built in system designed by SE for FF14 and if it was never supposed to be used......why hasnt Yoshi P or their Dev Team Pulled it from the FF14 system and why do they keep updating it with new commands?

By this logic, SE put One Ilm Punch in the game, therefore it should be put of the main monk rotation.

It's been stated many times in this thread, macros have their uses, macros for a dps rotation is not one of them.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thank you Helspites for that Video, so you did exactly as I stated and proved exactly my point! Lets do your math....total without Macro's is 2017, total using your modified Macro(good to see you took my information by heart and adjust to it with your playstyle)1747, subtract 1747 from 2017 you get a difference of 264. 264 is a % loss of 13.08 Compared to the Numbers others have said of upwards of 30% or more.

This comparison is on a training dummy not an actual fight. I bet once that macro starts getting interrupted via mechanics etc we will see numbers higher than 13%.
A non macro'd player will be able to pick their rotation up from where it was left off. Also fights going over 3 mins the gap is going to become a lot bigger. Go do Titan Ex and parse with and without macros and let us see the difference.

Another thing it is still a loss be it 13% or 30%, why should another player have to pick up your slack for being a lazy player?

[HelSpites]

Now try correctly to do a test on my actual 2nd video macro with only 2 line items and compare the actual dps you lose then...

Nah. That first video took long enough to make. Your macros are a dps loss in any content, not just end game. I don't know if you know this dude, but 13% is huge no matter what you're doing. Everyone, literally everyone has been telling you this. They've shown you the math, which you totally ignored and now even a video using the exact macros you showed off (You know, the ones you called "The ideal monk rotation") apparently isn't enough. You want to keep moving the goalposts and saying "Nah though, you just didn't do it right", that's your deal.

[Caitlyn]

Why do you have 2 threads?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...roper-Rotation!