Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[WeekendSoja]

Even the controlled test with only dragon kick - twin snakes - snap punch you see a rather quick decline in overall damage done. At 20 seconds of the parser timer (the moment you hit GL3) your macro right side is behind 1200 total damage done approximately. At 1:44 parser time your macro right side is behind 1900-2000 approximately while GL3 was maintained.

Your own example shows a rather quick degradation of damage. In a longer fight (you end your example at 1:47 parser time), this gap will continue to widen due to the delay.

To be honest with you, your macro would benefit the casual / midcore group because majority of them can't even be troubled to push 4 buttons so this is right down their ally. But sadly this is something that couldn't be used competitively in endgame content.

[Frowny]

Monks rotation is completely different from every other DPS or Tank Class.

Stop speaking out of your rear. I have a 60 MNK and the stance doesn't mean much: it is still a rotation like DRG when you boil it down (except your opener/stance shifting to get GL right away). It is different in moves, but melee DPS have the same 3 priorities: oGCD buffs, DOTs and GCD buffs. MNK isn't somehow special: it weaves oGCD buffs like my DRG, has positionals, tries to maximize DOT/GCD buff uptime... besides a few differences, the concepts are the same. MNK, DRG, NIN... you don't macro period for the same reason. Swap your bootshine for Heavy Thrust etc. etc.

Honestly, the hardest part of playing MNK is positionals. With practice a rotation becomes pretty mechanic. Again, any sort of avoidable loss is NOT COMPETITIVE, it is a handicap. This has nothing to do with skill, it is about actively encouraging bad habits. If macros were competitive Thendiel and the like would post those instead of rotations (Thendiel is a DRG god by the way). People actively look for ways to make a fight easier, I'm pretty bloody sure a savage raider who helped create the DRG rotation would use macros to reduce what he needed to juggle. This is beyond "I play how I want"; you're completely ignoring the community who, if you were actually right, would have been doing this by now.

Macros are mostly for stance swapping moves (ie. you activate a stance and your hotbar changes) or crafting.

[Syhrwyb]

/ac "Uninstall" <me>

LUL

/10char

[Caitlyn]

Well, I ve tested it by myself and I had to admit, that I ve expected a higher DPS loss. But Monk is actually not my Main class, so I m not 100% sure about the numbers (about 50 DPS difference). If you want so see my tests, I made a comparision-video here: click. Please note, the rotation is not the same, because I used 2 different openers here.

You can even expand/change your macro a bit more (blood bath and featherfoot are waste), which makes you need only 1 buttons per combo (example):

/macroicon Demolish
/ac Internal Release
/ac Blood for Blood
/ac Steel Peak
/ac True Strike
/ac Demolish
/ac Bootshine

BUT: I dont recommend to use that kind of macros. It sounds great to people who arent able to press 3 buttons for 1 combo, but you re more flexible and keep control over your skills, if you play without those macros. Using macros can make things go terribly wrong, especially when you have no idea which skill was used before.

During my tests I messed up my rotation even more with those macros than without using it. This is acceptable for dummy parses, but it can get very dangerous on real fights. Nevertheless, I doesnt change my opinion about combo-macros at all. I seems to work for Monk for some reason, but you should still not using them.

[Brill_]

I did some testing in SSS on A12S. I can get the dummy down to 5% with no macros. Consistently had 15-20% more health with macros when time ran out. Additionally, I could tell I was attacking slower because I had no TP problems with macros. For monk, if you can wail on a target without ever having to stop for mechanics, you can run in to TP problems. I never came close running out of TP.

[Frowny]

I did some testing in SSS on A12S. I can get the dummy down to 5% with no macros. Consistently had 15-20% more health with macros when time ran out. Additionally, I could tell I was attacking slower because I had no TP problems with macros. For monk, if you can wail on a target without ever having to stop for mechanics, you can run in to TP problems. I never came close running out of TP.

Same for DRG. If I'm not running low on TP in a prolonged fight then something is wrong. I also think TP ticks are every 3s roughly, but I don't recall the default macro delay (think it may be 1s).

[HelSpites]

If you truly want to alter my stance on this contrary to my video and data, please post your own demonstration using my simple macro and show at the same time your data while doing so like I have.

So, this thread got me to go make a thing. Here's you go. Here's how your macro stacks up against an actual monk rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCRXdFR7iw

[Frowny]

So, this thread got me to go make a thing. Here's you go. Here's how your macro stacks up against an actual monk rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCR...ature=youtu.be

While I appreciate the effort you put into this, I'm also sad we need video evidence when everyone who has played a DPS has said the same thing....

[SmallHobbit]

monk skills are one of the most easiest one because the skills already glowing to tell you "Press me now! here i am please press me!!!" and to make it more fail safe they even dosent work when you press the wrong one and you still need a macro for it
oh boy

regards hobbit

[Dzian]

If you don't want to parse. The alternative would be do your tests on sss dummies.

Go do a12s dummy or something.

Even if it doesn't display numbers there'd be a measurable difference just looking dummy hp / time remaining.

You could then use sss calculators to predict a fairly accurate dps. All without any violation of the tos