Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[Neri]

He needs to get to 60 first though, not to mention fully equipped before trying the sss too.

[Kitfox]

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By now I'm sure you won't change your mind but here's a few thoughts:
-Did you account for crit variance between your two DPS numbers?
-Did you also test this outside housing areas? Housing areas process battle information faster than normal areas and instances which means faster activation of all abilities, including macros. (probably because there's a lot less fighting going on in those zones)
-By not using a proper rotation the compounded DPS loss is less visible, because using your strongest abilities and buffs will multiply the loss. Just because you acknowledge you'll get criticized for this doesn't make the point less valid.

Considering those points will most likely turn the 2% difference closer to 5% or more. You also seem to have fairly low latency, someone less fortunate is going to suffer more from the lack of macro queueing.

Here's the big picture about helping new players, though. Like you say, you can only do this on MNK because their combos run on buffs instead of the normal combo system. Why would you learn this system for one class when you can not use it on any other? Why accept a dps loss that can be avoided? Why accept the lack of buff/oGCD control? This doesn't really help new players, it gives them a crutch system that hinders their growth as a player. In my opinion, it's much better to teach new players good keybinding practices that will allow them to:
-use up to 48 hotbar slots effectively in all situations
-use the same system on all classes, cutting down learning time and improving muscle memory
-avoid the pitfalls of macros (no ability queueing, lack of control, dps losses)

If you're really trying to help new players, I'm sure you can see which system is universally more versatile and effective.

For anyone who actually wants to avoid macros, here's a decent keybinding guide to get you started: https://taugrim.com/2011/04/07/guide...d-keybindings/

[TheRealMadruck]

i also think about is funny because monks rotation are not constant repeatble so your rotation need be variable so means it can be sometimes like:
(bootshine -> truestrike -> demo..) or sometimes is looks like (bootshine -> truestrike -> snap punch)
and
(dragonkick -> twin snakes -> demolish) or (dragonkick -> twin snakes -> snap punch)

and between this skills are still used even more skills like elixir field -> ToD and many more... how you just wanna macro this?
can you please show me a video where you able to kill any savage stone sky sea dummy with macros?

may this would change my mind when you show me a video how you will the a12s dummy with macros :3

regards hobbit

Hobbit, I created a video showing my Parse information. And you are right that the combos for Monk are not static like Dragoon and Ninja. But, you state that the only way to prove my Macros work at all(even for solo or casual content) is to go to one of the highest areas to test? I did not make my video or my post raiders only but for all players that do monk. I know I am getting alot of push back from my information but I have done test already on this as I stated in my second video!

[SmallHobbit]

even for solo or casual content

well yeah with this macros you should be able to do same dps as a casual dps do in expert roulette but ppl need also to understand that with the right rotation and own gameplay you will be able to get easy like +50% higher dps overall in a real fight!
because your buffs and dots are not perfectly clip and thats in raids are the diffrence between a good dps player or just a causal one.

regards hobbit

[TheRealMadruck]

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Kitfox, Like I wrote in the edited first post on the top of this topic.....no matter what proof I have or video evidence with Factual data.....you will consider this subject of using Macros for any reason as a Monk as mute. I have done test Kitfox, your right when you say that I may have a good latency or that stats where not a factor into it......but does that negate that bluntly people make statements that Macros for Monks as a whole no matter the content are worthless based on the notion that all dps drops to 15% or more when factual data I have says otherwise? Really? Did you happen to consider the human factor into your disagreement? I was in the US Army Kitfox and we have a very simple saying for what I did in the service....K.I.S.S(a acronym not the band) it stands for Keep it simple stupid in which I am not calling anyone. That acronym clearly states that the simpler a method is done the more likely the chance of no errors are to occur. So lets say you have the best Monk player in FF14, can you promise me that that Monk will have a 100% uptime in dps with no mistakes while having to throttle lets say for kindness only 18 buttons(Monk has alot more based on buffs and X-Class Abilites) do you think that a player who uses no macros wont screw up his rotation by accidentally pressing the wrong button compared to a person who does macro and only has 12 buttons for discussion sake? Really? Who do you think will more likely make errors more often for the average player? The one with more button bloat or less? If you answer more, that answer is not true based on statistics and basic % in math.

So I can understand your feedback within this subject(btw I did use your information and added it to my video so thank you for that) but it still does not negate the facts of my data on the falsehood that using any Macros on Monk is a massive dps loss...its not true! You do lose dps, even if it is 5% on your example....that does not negate the fact that again according to the numbers since humans make mistakes that the dps and the overall numbers will pretty much end up the same since the Macro using player is less likely to make such errors. I know you will still disagree as I will stand firm on my data I collected based on facts displayed on my recent video, but I hope you decide to give Macros a chance if you play Monk....maybe not for endgame content as that is not the only stuff to do in FF14, but maybe while soloing or doing older content or fates even. But other than that, thank you for your feedback and for being cordial as I wish more players were like yourself in which displaying respect is important to them! Take care.....

[Caitlyn]

I watched both videos, but I have three things which actually bothers me:

1. Why are you creating/using macros for a level 54 Monk? Why 54? What about Level 60? Shouldnt you level your Monk to 60 first before making some (weird) macros/comparision videos? So, you have no experience in playing Monk at Level 60, rather having the right gear and stats for accurate parses. Its like having a Level 10 Conjurer making a Healer-Guide for Endgame-Content. Level your Monk to 60, get some gear and make parses on a Level 60 dummy with your macros. Then we can talk.


2. In 2.X the average DPS for a Level 50 Monk (ilvl 120+) should be around 500-600 DPS. Its easy to say, that a macro will only cause a DPS-loss of 2% when your parsed numbers are extremely low. But numbers are important for endgame/raids, which means you should have at least an ilvl of 210+ and a DPS of around of 2000+ (including Level 60). There is no place for speculations like "if you do xxxx amount of damage you lose x% by using a macro". In fact, macros are slower, more error-prone and makes you forget how to play your class properly. You cant deny that!


3. Why using macros at all? Featherfoot is quite useless and Steel Peek/Shoulder Tackle should be used very carefully (maybe some enemies must be stunned later?). Blood for Blood can be dangerous when getting hit by a strong raid-wide AoE. Your macros will let you lose control over your own skills. There is no need, especially you can reach any important skill without breaking your fingers. Actually you only need around 15 buttons, 7 or 8 of them permanently. Monk is pretty easy to play. Dont be lazy, play without macros, Rookie!

So lets say you have the best Monk player in FF14, can you promise me that that Monk will have a 100% uptime in dps with no mistakes while having to throttle lets say for kindness only 18 buttons(Monk has alot more based on buffs and X-Class Abilites) do you think that a player who uses no macros wont screw up his rotation by accidentally pressing the wrong button compared to a person who does macro and only has 12 buttons for discussion sake? Really?

The best Monks wont accidentally pressing the wrong button. In fact, its quite hard to press the wrong button as a Monk. You have combos with 3 skills each. You have your Off-GCD and CDs which you should be used since when they re ready. How can you "accidentally" press the wrong button? Thats even impossible for casual players ; )

So I can understand your feedback within this subject(btw I did use your information and added it to my video so thank you for that) but it still does not negate the facts of my data on the falsehood that using any Macros on Monk is a massive dps loss...its not true! You do lose dps, even if it is 5% on your example....that does not negate the fact that again according to the numbers since humans make mistakes that the dps and the overall numbers will pretty much end up the same since the Macro using player is less likely to make such errors.

First of all, your damage numbers are so low, that its impossible to see a difference between macro and no-macro. Second, its a mistake to use macros at all. And at last, your macros arent perfect either. They are causing more mistakes than any human can do by accident.

[TheRealMadruck]

well yeah with this macros you should be able to do same dps as a casual dps do in expert roulette but ppl need also to understand that with the right rotation and own gameplay you will be able to get easy like +50% higher dps overall in a real fight!
because your buffs and dots are not perfectly clip and thats in raids are the diffrence between a good dps player or just a causal one.

regards hobbit

Hobbit, I created this posting and my videos to show the system on how to macro correctly as a Monk....not to use all their abilities as Macros as you can see clearly that I dont in both my videos. Not once have I ever stated that all Monks should macro all their abilities. I only macro the last 2 parts of my combos and also a few buffs, thats all. As for your statement about learning the Job, your right they do need to learn. But isn't it possible for players to do both? Believe this or not but I have 2 accounts, I have 9 60's on my account until I was hacked. My information and facts is not based solely on the merit that my character is only lvl 54 as a Monk! I hope you believe that. As I stated, people can do Macros and also do high end content without them....I will never state otherwise but it does not negate my Macro or that it does work effectively for most content...even if its not for all!

[TheRealMadruck]

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Caitlyn, you have alot of valid points. As you stated that you have watched my videos, you can clearly see at the end of my first video that the rotation I did with the macros was the ideal rotation based on several sources. To name some, http://www.ffxivinfo.com/guides/monk...iki/Monk_Guide If you watch the last part of my video it clearly shows the same rotation on those sites which it can be varied but for the most part it falls under the same method. And to answer your question in regards to using Featherfoot and other buffs, I created the first video representing the basics of how to Macro a Monk providing only templates. Every player is different as those Macros in my video is used solely for me doing casual content not endgame. But like I stated, every individual player can easily modify any of my macros to suite their own play style as I never said that it was the only way to set up macros as you heard me say in my 2nd video. If you use Macros, great....if you dont thats your choice as well but it is a built in system that does work in FF14 that SE and Yoshi P have set into the game, why not use it? Maybe not for Endgame, but they are useful in many other situations. Thank you for your feedback and take care.

[TheRealMadruck]

1.The best Monks wont accidentally pressing the wrong button. In fact, its quite hard to press the wrong button as a Monk. You have combos with 3 skills each. You have your Off-GCD and CDs which you should be used since when they re ready. How can you "accidentally" press the wrong button? Thats even impossible for casual players ; )

2.First of all, your damage numbers are so low, that its impossible to see a difference between macro and no-macro. Second, its a mistake to use macros at all. And at last, your macros arent perfect either. They are causing more mistakes than any human can do by accident.

1. What? I would love you to proof that the best player in the game especially a Monk will never make a mistake in a 15 minute fight every time 100%! I really would love data backing up that claim! We are all human and we all make mistake as you stated about my macros.

2. The Damage may be low but math is math. If you would like to disprove my evidence, I kindly ask you to hop onto your Monk.....apply my macro using a source for data as you saw I did with my video and show contrary evidence. Until then Caitlynn, with all due respect....I have data to back up my information as everyone can clearly see, if you would like to make claims to the contrary, please do so as I welcome it as a chance to improve my information. Until then, everything else is conjecture and theory without prove.

[Axxion]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/McNw7...pe=damage-done on Faust z