Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[Mugiawara]

I don't know much about Macro's and Optimal DPS and all but I have to say this to OP.
I was about to say for people to chill a bit because I thought you were new, until you said 'What makes you think this is my first account?'
Well firstly, you're posing really bad information as people are responding too.
Then secondly everyone here has pretty much told you you were wrong and you're telling us how to maximize
damage at when your first begun this post, was level 52...Instead of taking everyone's advice, you actively beat people down and the nicest one person to critique you was Kitfox
and you pretty much tell her off. People main these DPS and do savage content
so they aren't trying to be buttheads but trying to help you.
Try and learn from others advice and stop TRYING to play poorly and grow.

TLDR for people reading this: DO NOT USE MACROS IF YOU WANT TO BETTER YOUR DMG.

[Frowny]

You should only macro, as a DPS, Flaming arrow and the like to skip the targeting (unless you want to pre-cast, then do it manually).

The key difference you're not getting is "can" is VERY different from "should". You CAN macro a rotation, but SHOULDN'T. At 52 you should know sometimes fights throw a curve ball at you. Normally, this means maybe missing a GCD. If you use a macro though, you may end up missing many more and not know where you're at. Not to mention sometimes, you DON'T want to activate a buff. If you mistime it and the boss disappears, you're wasting the buff. You only get this fine control by doing things manually.

This is where practicing comes into play. Things become second nature. And think about it... if these worked so well, why don't we see them posted instead of rotations?

[Praesul]

The burden of proof is on you my friend. If you claim something, you have to back it up with evidence. People can't refute something that hasn't even been proven in the first place. You keep saying "competitive", but there's nothing in your video to show this.

The macros work in that they function, they will use abilities in a sequence as they're designed to do, but they don't do it optimally and they never will because that's the nature of macros in this game. You really want to prove the macros work and grant you good DPS? Run some numbers and compare them to what other people get. Until that point, based on what the community knows about macros, we know that it's a DPS loss to use them.

[WeekendSoja]

I'd just like to point out that you were actually provided with perfect side-by-side video comparison by another poster. Maybe you overlooked it: https://youtu.be/czzLF4IfFaM?t=255
The difference is very visible between the two sides. Using macros has a compounding delay effect that leads to flat 5-10% dps loss depending on your latency and button mashing compared to queueing GCDs normally.

He doesn't need to prove anything, KitFox was nice enough to place an anchor on the youtube video submitted on like...page one? At the end of the video the user does a side by side comparison of macro use and non-macro use. Seems you fall behind in execution after the first gcd?

[TheRealMadruck]

There is a Video I created to demonstrate a side by side comparison of doing a simple rotation for Monk using a macro compared to no macros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIh6eGFrxFs I will admit that the more line items you add to your macro does add to the overall decrease of dps over time. But using a simple macro as seen in my videos clearly shows that the dps you lose in comparison is as I said.....competitive. I already know that no matter the amount of information or prove that I provide will be enough to show validity to my information based on comments that my comparison was not the full rotation or that the dps shown was not accurate based on the method obtained, the bottomline is not that it is my 15 dollars and I will play the way I want to play. It boils down to trying to help new players and others use a built in system into FF14 that should be utilized if one does choose. I thank everyone on the feedback and as always I hope my information is useful to the those few that choose to use it!

[Frowny]

Players should be learning rotations manually because, as I said, some fights WILL require you to adjust. As an example, DRG fits Dragonfire Dive in the opener burst. However, in A9S it is better to save it for the 2 set of adds or even the first so the AoE is maximized over targets (for me personally). Or, in other fights where I need to move, it is better saved so I can quickly re-engage the boss. Not fancy methods by any means, pure experience was my teacher. A macro just creates a bad habit because that "competitive" loss REALLY adds up and rookies will get into the habit of just using macros.

Take a regular 5 minute fight and multiply that, say, 100 DPS loss over 300s. Here and there the loss is meh, but it quickly compounds. Down the line when you want maximum DPS, ANY avoidable loss is not competitive at all; it is a hindrance.

You're free to play however you want, still doesn't mean you're right just like I'm free to argue the earth is flat. Again, if macros were viable the number theorists who come up with optimal rotations would be posting macros instead of number theory and rotations. I'm all for teaching rookies, I however cannot condone teaching bad habits. Before helping people with a system you barely understand, help yourself by learning about what you use.

Alot of the negativity that Macros have gotten comes from the misconception of putting all your abilities into one button to negate the skill level that is required into a game such as FF14.

Absolute bollocks, the negativity comes from the DPS loss and how macros cause delays that stack later on. A DPS loss is a DPS loss period and handicapping yourself isn't "competitive".

[TheRealMadruck]

SNIP

Frowny, I agree with you that if you are doing Extreme fights, Savage Modes, Macros could possibly should not be used, But it still does not negate the data I collected! And you have to remember, Monks rotation is completely different from every other DPS or Tank Class. The rotation is not based on a set button 1 to button 2 to button 3 as Dragoon, Ninja, Paladin, Warrior or Dark Knight. It is based on what stance you are in, and that allows you to create macros for Monk based solely that you can bounce from one ability to another in your combo just from your stance. So you can go from Bootshine to Twin Snakes once you have shifted to the enemies flank from the rear and visa versa with Dragon Kick to True Strike from the back. That is why you can Macro monk effectively not using Cast Sequence macros as Dragoon and Ninja for example would need, but using a simple process of elimination macro. It does work....maybe not for everything in the game.....but it can work for solo or even a large amount of regular content.

[shao32]

monk combos are just flank, rea,r flank, rear all the time, you only change demolish for snap punch bcs betwen 1 demolish you can finish 2 combos with snap punch.

monk is a fast figter you need to put all the ogcd betwen you gcd and have it all alwais on recast, the delay of macro system is a complety waste of time and lower you dps a lot more when monk have a large number of ogcd, yeah macros can "work" but in the end you lower you performance a lot for being extremly lazy, even if you do rear and flank combos without any change and use you ogcd manually when you can you dealt more dps bcs you working more faster that the macros.

[TheRealMadruck]

monk combos are just flank, rea,r flank, rear all the time, you only change demolish for snap punch bcs betwen 1 demolish you can finish 2 combos with snap punch.

monk is a fast figter you need to put all the ogcd betwen you gcd and have it all alwais on recast, the delay of macro system is a complety waste of time and lower you dps a lot more when monk have a large number of ogcd, yeah macros can "work" but in the end you lower you performance a lot for being extremly lazy, even if you do rear and flank combos without any change and use you ogcd manually when you can you dealt more dps bcs you working more faster that the macros.

Shao, If you watch both of my videos you will clearly see that I do not place all my GCD on one button as they are seperate on my tool bar. The Macros I made are only for the last 2 parts of the 3 step combos, thats all. Bootshine nor Dragon Kick are in the Macros, just the last 2 parts. If you still doubt the information, please watch my demo video I created on me doing a simple Monk Combo for 2 minutes with and without a Macro. In that time frame I lost 2%, so if you have 2 monks.....one doing 2k dps while another doing 1960 in a 15 minute fight, the 2k Monk will do 90k dps in that time while the Macroed Monk will do 88k! Again in 15 minutes you lose only 2k dps in 15 minutes and thats not including if the person using no Macros hasnt made any mistakes in regards to human error.

[SmallHobbit]

Please show your parses since you claim you can be competitive with macros also you aren't 60.

i also think about is funny because monks rotation are not constant repeatble so your rotation need be variable so means it can be sometimes like:
(bootshine -> truestrike -> demo..) or sometimes is looks like (bootshine -> truestrike -> snap punch)
and
(dragonkick -> twin snakes -> demolish) or (dragonkick -> twin snakes -> snap punch)

and between this skills are still used even more skills like elixir field -> ToD and many more... how you just wanna macro this?
can you please show me a video where you able to kill any savage stone sky sea dummy with macros?

may this would change my mind when you show me a video how you kill the a12s dummy with macros :3

regards hobbit