Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[SmallHobbit]

alright i grab some messy df videos xD to show you the diffrence in rotation is not static and is not that hard that you really makes it easier to press 10x times the same button instant of 1,2,3.....
you should never do more than 1 buff skill between and you should do them always after a 2,5 sec recast skill not before or it gives you a delay.
i am ok with that you like to use your own way but please do not teach other ppl bad gameplay style, this isnt that fair to newbie ppl and please do not say you are using the perfect rotation with macros, you are using definitely NOT the best rotation.
-> lvl 60 fight
-> lvl 50 fight
-> mess xD
-> my rotation without potion

regards hobbit

PS: only 16+!!!! ^^

[Syhrwyb]

/ac "Uninstall" <me>

LUL

/10char

[Caitlyn]

Well, I ve tested it by myself and I had to admit, that I ve expected a higher DPS loss. But Monk is actually not my Main class, so I m not 100% sure about the numbers (about 50 DPS difference). If you want so see my tests, I made a comparision-video here: click. Please note, the rotation is not the same, because I used 2 different openers here.

You can even expand/change your macro a bit more (blood bath and featherfoot are waste), which makes you need only 1 buttons per combo (example):

/macroicon Demolish
/ac Internal Release
/ac Blood for Blood
/ac Steel Peak
/ac True Strike
/ac Demolish
/ac Bootshine

BUT: I dont recommend to use that kind of macros. It sounds great to people who arent able to press 3 buttons for 1 combo, but you re more flexible and keep control over your skills, if you play without those macros. Using macros can make things go terribly wrong, especially when you have no idea which skill was used before.

During my tests I messed up my rotation even more with those macros than without using it. This is acceptable for dummy parses, but it can get very dangerous on real fights. Nevertheless, I doesnt change my opinion about combo-macros at all. I seems to work for Monk for some reason, but you should still not using them.

[WeekendSoja]

Even the controlled test with only dragon kick - twin snakes - snap punch you see a rather quick decline in overall damage done. At 20 seconds of the parser timer (the moment you hit GL3) your macro right side is behind 1200 total damage done approximately. At 1:44 parser time your macro right side is behind 1900-2000 approximately while GL3 was maintained.

Your own example shows a rather quick degradation of damage. In a longer fight (you end your example at 1:47 parser time), this gap will continue to widen due to the delay.

To be honest with you, your macro would benefit the casual / midcore group because majority of them can't even be troubled to push 4 buttons so this is right down their ally. But sadly this is something that couldn't be used competitively in endgame content.

[Brill_]

I did some testing in SSS on A12S. I can get the dummy down to 5% with no macros. Consistently had 15-20% more health with macros when time ran out. Additionally, I could tell I was attacking slower because I had no TP problems with macros. For monk, if you can wail on a target without ever having to stop for mechanics, you can run in to TP problems. I never came close running out of TP.

[Frowny]

I did some testing in SSS on A12S. I can get the dummy down to 5% with no macros. Consistently had 15-20% more health with macros when time ran out. Additionally, I could tell I was attacking slower because I had no TP problems with macros. For monk, if you can wail on a target without ever having to stop for mechanics, you can run in to TP problems. I never came close running out of TP.

Same for DRG. If I'm not running low on TP in a prolonged fight then something is wrong. I also think TP ticks are every 3s roughly, but I don't recall the default macro delay (think it may be 1s).

[Dzian]

If you don't want to parse. The alternative would be do your tests on sss dummies.

Go do a12s dummy or something.

Even if it doesn't display numbers there'd be a measurable difference just looking dummy hp / time remaining.

You could then use sss calculators to predict a fairly accurate dps. All without any violation of the tos

[Avin00]

Madruck,

I get what you are trying to do here but if as you say in a simple macro two lines only you experience a 2% loss and every additional line compounds that further to the point of a 13% loss wouldn't it be better just to learn to play without them rather than rely on a crutch. A crutch that you will one day need to remove in order to, as you say, be competitive in that arena? Macros do have their place in this game mostly for crafting and even in that area they can and do screw up due to latency and the way the game handles them. I'm sorry but unless macros are changed to allow for queuing of skills they will always be worse than simply activating the skills manually and while they are like that advocating their use is not something I or anyone striving to be the best at their chosen job should support.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thank you Helspites for that Video, so you did exactly as I stated and proved exactly my point! Lets do your math....total without Macro's is 2017, total using your modified Macro(good to see you took my information by heart and adjust to it with your playstyle)1747, subtract 1747 from 2017 you get a difference of 264. 264 is a % loss of 13.08 Compared to the Numbers others have said of upwards of 30% or more.

This comparison is on a training dummy not an actual fight. I bet once that macro starts getting interrupted via mechanics etc we will see numbers higher than 13%.
A non macro'd player will be able to pick their rotation up from where it was left off. Also fights going over 3 mins the gap is going to become a lot bigger. Go do Titan Ex and parse with and without macros and let us see the difference.

Another thing it is still a loss be it 13% or 30%, why should another player have to pick up your slack for being a lazy player?

[Caitlyn]

Why do you have 2 threads?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...roper-Rotation!